Forced Induction or upgrade car?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

This thread has gone in several tangents already. It took me some reading to realize that you guys are talking about the Camaro and not the Mustang.

Don't know about the rest but I am simply using the "LOOK SHINY" method of diversion to end the bickering for a bit.

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

This thread has gone in several tangents already. It took me some reading to realize that you guys are talking about the Camaro and not the Mustang.

Camaro VS Mustang! :troll:

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[PandaSPUR]

Im amazed this thread hasnt been locked yet lol. It hasnt been on topic since like the first five pages?

[KR-S]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

Camaro VS Mustang! :troll:

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Tch, Hellcat rules all. Everyone knows horsepower trumps everything else.

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Im amazed this thread hasnt been locked yet lol. It hasnt been on topic since like the first five pages?

It will more than likely die out on its own as did similar threads made before it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Im amazed this thread hasnt been locked yet lol. It hasnt been on topic since like the first five pages?

There was some discussion with the Mods on shutting it down in Off Topic but it never really got nasty so they decided to leave it.

[driftartist]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

but it never really got nasty so they decided to leave it.

I can fix that :3 *cracks knuckles* just kidding ill be good. I think we all roasted the op troll enough already lol

[MisterSheep]

I'm surprised this thread is still alive...

[PandaSPUR]

Originally Posted by PandaSPUR

Im amazed this thread hasnt been locked yet lol. It hasnt been on topic since like the first five pages?

Originally Posted by MisterSheep

I'm surprised this thread is still alive...

[p1l0t]

Originally Posted by KR-S 86

Tch, Hellcat rules all. Everyone knows horsepower trumps everything else.



It will more than likely die out on its own as did similar threads made before it.

In all seriousness.. I actually really like the Hellcat. Just because it's the only real modern muscle car IMHO.

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[P86RAVES]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Sure you can say you don't like it all you want. Nobody has an issue with that. My objection comes in when you throw around absolute bullshit (such as the car is useless in traffic) and try to convince others that your lack of ability is the car's fault in some way.
Cool you don't like it, then sell or trade and move on instead of bitching and moaning about how bad it is and trying to call out anybody that has zero issues. We have had this conversation before and as I said then you will just grow bored with the next one and then the next and so on forever.




Now lets compare apples to apples instead of sports coupes to family sedans


5 Year Depreciation Edmunds Forecast (not a random hand picked selection of prices from Autotrader) http://www.edmunds.com/scion/fr-s/2013/cost-to-own/


Genesis coupe - $7,531
Miata - $7,626
Mustang V6 - $6,298
WRX - $9,651
FRS - $7,509


Now things look more in line. So yet again your argument is skewed to present your point of view.

What makes my opinion bullshit and yours fact? We have an emotional bias towards things we like, much the same reason why when you tell someone a political stand that they would normally disagree with, then tell them it came from their favorite politician, they will mostly agree with it. Bias is bias. I think it's useless because it's not doing what I want it to do, you feel it's ok because it's doing exactly what you want it to do. Easy as that.

Also, to convincing others.... how? How I feel about this car is out commented on 12.5:1, so if someone does take the time to click through a thread of people mainly saying the same thing they'll see my comment and think, "Hmm, I wonder if there's anything to that?" Then they'll continue on reading through comments of people mostly agreeing with each other. I'm not trying to convince anybody, just giving honest perspective.

We have had this conversation before, and as I said, I don't have the money for a 911 right now.

Edmunds means shit as far as what a car goes for in the market. But alright, let's try that.

2013 FRS MSRP $24,500

Edmunds Year 1 - $22,607 15k mi
Edmunds Year 2 - $20,946 30k mi
Edmunds Year 3 - $19,485 45k mi (Value after depreciation)

So Edmunds is saying after 3 years and 45k mi the car should be worth $19,485 if I did that correctly.

Unlikely.

(Here are some for sell)

Again, within the same brand of cars this one depreciates faster. So someone like me was thinking that because Subaru and Toyota have a track record of high resell value that this car would have Wonder Twin's Power Activated. It didn't.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by P86RAVES

Edmunds means shit as far as what a car goes for in the market. But alright, let's try that.

2013 FRS MSRP $24,500

Edmunds Year 1 - $22,607 15k mi
Edmunds Year 2 - $20,946 30k mi
Edmunds Year 3 - $19,485 45k mi (Value after depreciation)

So Edmunds is saying after 3 years and 45k mi the car should be worth $19,485 if I did that correctly.

Unlikely.

(Here are some for sell)

Again, within the same brand of cars this one depreciates faster. So someone like me was thinking that because Subaru and Toyota have a track record of high resell value that this car would have Wonder Twin's Power Activated. It didn't.

LOL
I did not bother to do the math but the average price on the page YOU linked is pretty close to $19K. Your random picks have played against you although I am sure you are much better informed than Edmunds to decide values.


This is not a family sedan and the depreciation can not be compared to them. It is not out of line (in fact is better) than comparable types of cars by other makes. Did you not notice the depreciation on the STi that was listed? If worried about depreciation so much wait until you see the shit kicking you will take on a Porsche (it is $37,345 over 5 years on a 911 by the way) !!!!


If you can't afford to by a 911 now you can't afford to drive one after you save up your pennies.


Apparently you should have bought a Corolla in the first place since you think it can out run an FRS, is easy to drive in traffic and holds it's value better.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by p1l0t

In all seriousness.. I actually really like the Hellcat. Just because it's the only real modern muscle car IMHO.

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The GT350 would like a word with you. IMHO a modern muscle car has to actually be able to handle and be on par with European competitors in something other than HP

[Braces]

Dis otta be goooood. Tcoat taking his gloves off.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

The GT350 would like a word with you. IMHO a modern muscle car has to actually be able to handle and be on par with European competitors in something other than HP

Nope disagree there. A muscle car needs to go very fast in a straight line. That is the very definition of what they are and the heritage they have. A GT car needs to compete in handling with the Europeans not a muscle car. The whole concept of a muscle car has been watered down since the mid 70s so that people forget (or never knew) what they were all about when the term was coined. What they were was a big heavy unwieldy beast that could take those front wheels off the ground at launch.
If you called a Mustang or a Camaro a muscle car back in the 70s you would have been laughed at. They only seem to have become part of the genre in the last 20 years or so.