Toyota FT-86 II Concept to be unveiled at Geneva!!!

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by WhatIs86For

You remember when some1 posted a link about we can calculate the 0 to 60?

Lol i used that link and I start guessing how much weight it need to reach 0 to 60 in 7.7 and oh my god guess what??

Ill let you guess :P but here the link


its going to be 3810 LBS!!!

certainly you must be joking.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by NESW20

certainly you must be joking.

Surely he must be joking.

[dalli]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Hm... maybe you need where's that 7.7sec stands in the current 2L NA FR.
2L Miata runs 0~100km in 7.9sec
2L BMW 120i coupe runs 0~100km in 7.8 sec
FT86 is 7.7secs.... yeah, 10k~15k cheaper than BMW 120i and still 0.2sec faster.

Also base engine FB20 is pushing 148ps (145hp) and they changed that to 200PS (197hp). That's pretty good improvement.

Again, if you want high hp/tq car then, you're looking at wrong car. Look into 370z, Genesis, Mustang, Camaro or whatever v engine cars. This car isn't no stock high hp/tq car.

edit: Also you're comparing this w Altima? Altima that has 3.5L v6 engine? You must be joking! If you look at hp/L ratio Altima is looking at 73.7hp per liter vs FT86 is 98.5hp per liter... try again

With a 6 speed auto...

200 hp 7.7 sec for ft 86 hmm... i just want to know how much it weighs

also great new pics of the concept ll, it looks good to me but i need to see real life pics.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by WhatIs86For

You remember when some1 posted a link about we can calculate the 0 to 60?

Lol i used that link and I start guessing how much weight it need to reach 0 to 60 in 7.7 and oh my god guess what??

Ill let you guess :P but here the link


its going to be 3810 LBS!!!

ha... where to begin. If you believe that site is accurate, then you must be trolling.

Let's put some example car #'s shall we.
2010 Mazda Miata MX5
HP - 167 hp
Weight - 2511 lbs
Trans - MT
Drive - RWD
0~60 - 6.3 secs

While Japanese mag put as 7.9 secs... you do the math

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by WhatIs86For

You remember when some1 posted a link about we can calculate the 0 to 60?

Lol i used that link and I start guessing how much weight it need to reach 0 to 60 in 7.7 and oh my god guess what??

Ill let you guess :P but here the link


its going to be 3810 LBS!!!

The calculations I personally use, put it at around 3130 to 3260 lbs depending on gearing/tire size. (also using 195 Hp which is closer to 200 PS)

If it really is a modified Impreza chassis, there's a fixed amount of mass that they're going to be stuck with. And the Impreza isn't exactly a super-light car.

If this thing weighs more than my (lightened) Supra, it's going to be a no-go.

Edit: This motor has Dual AVCS, which is Subaru's equivalent to Toyota's VVT-i system. The lack of direct injection mentioned is kind of odd.

Edit 2:

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

ha... where to begin. If you believe that site is accurate, then you must be trolling.

Let's put some example car #'s shall we.
2010 Mazda Miata MX5
HP - 167 hp
Weight - 2511 lbs
Trans - MT
Drive - RWD
0~60 - 6.3 secs

While Japanese mag put as 7.9 secs... you do the math

If the time estimate is off by a second to 6.7, my calculations put the weight at around 2615 to 2720 lbs. This is totally live-able. For reference by power/weight/time calculations would have the Miata at around 6.6 seconds.

[cyde01]

ichitaka-san, your translation looks accurate.
the poster of the article didn't scan the first two pages of the article, although it doesn't contain much info so i guess i can see why he didn't. sorry for the cell phone pics, i don't have a scanner.





according to the comparison box with the original ae86, it lists the weight as 1300 kg with an asterisk. no idea what the asterisk means. 1300kg would be about 2855 lbs? as others have said the 0-62 numbers do not seem to add up. they have the miata listed as 7.9 but as others have mentioned it should be in the low 6s. if the miata is in the low 6s and the ft-86 is faster than the miata as the article claims, that would mean low 6s to high 5s. so i wouldn't be too worried.

as far as the article itself.. it sounds kinda fishy. the way they word the article, it sounds more like they are making educated guesses based on what has already been revealed, rather than having any kind of insider info. so it looks like i just wasted $8. so i dunno, i say take everything with a grain of salt. geneva isn't too far from now.

[Chokonen888]

Originally Posted by cyde01

ichitaka-san, your translation looks accurate.
the poster of the article didn't scan the first two pages of the article, although it doesn't contain much info so i guess i can see why he didn't. sorry for the cell phone pics, i don't have a scanner.

Oops! I took the mag apart to scan it an assumed the first pages were what was already posted. (hey, it was 2am over here haha)

I'll scan the other pages now

[Chokonen888]

...and here yah go!

[tommy]

Originally Posted by Chokonen888

Anyhow, here you guys go:

Obvious photoshop where the length of the car is shown, you can still see the shrubs through the window of the car where the original photo of the red concept was taken. I wouldn't pay much attention to these specs...

[ryun84]

^^ Oooh... Nice catch! They should have just blacked out the windows. LOL!

[Terrari]

Weight of 1300kg = 2860 lbs without driver. The final drive ratio will determine acceleration. The spec of 151tq@4500 and 197hp@7000 indicates a peaky engine comparable to the Mk1 MR2SC rated at 140tq@4500 and 145hp@6600. The MR2 had a 4.30 final drive and tested 0 - 60 in 6.5 to 7.0 sec. The Mr2 was 18.27lb/hp and the FT is 14.52lb/hp. Either the new Subie engine is a POS or the 7.7 sec time should be 6.7, as I figure a tall rear end ratio (3.90 - 4.30) like the MR2 will be necessary for the FT to have decent low end acceleration. Overdrive 5th and 6th gears take care of the gas mileage figures.

[RWD_only]

Originally Posted by WhatIs86For

its going to be 3810 LBS!!!

Even Rolls Royce would struggle to make a car this small (S2000 for perspective) weigh 1.9 tons.

I'm not trusting anything, especially Best Car, for specs. Geneva is, what, only a little over two weeks away?

Patience, patience, patience.

Edit: plus what Terrari said.

[Aki]

Best Car always makes wild speculatory articles. I'd put zero weight into what they say.

The "shots" of the car are hardly real. For one, Toyota has to change the hood shape to meet pedestrian safety regulations, and it's identical to the concept in those renderings.

To make the hood pass regulations, it can't be so sharply wedge-shaped, and will need to be softened and rounded out a bit.

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by tommy

Obvious photoshop where the length of the car is shown, you can still see the shrubs through the window of the car where the original photo of the red concept was taken. I wouldn't pay much attention to these specs...

^ this.

/discussion of photoshop