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GR86 General Topics (2nd Gen 2022+ Toyota 86) General topics for the GR86 second-gen 86 |
View Poll Results: How would you rate the design of the 2nd gen 86? 1 lowest & 5 highest | |||
1 | 10 | 3.86% | |
2 | 17 | 6.56% | |
3 | 49 | 18.92% | |
4 | 113 | 43.63% | |
5 | 70 | 27.03% | |
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04-08-2021, 01:59 AM | #211 | |
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The brainwashing makes complete sense then!
In all seriousness though, I feel the new cars will noticeably perform better, even on the same chassis. Your Civic Type R is a prime example, if you drive a 2019 on track (the year you have) and drive a 2020 Type-R right after, the improvements to the suspension, brakes, etc are IMMEDIATELY apparent. I noticed right away how much they improved the 2020. That’s how the new twins will be to me I feel, even though the same chassis the improvements made will be noticeable right off the bat. Many people won’t like the new cars, even if improved. I’m ok with that! |
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Toyota’s engines they make themselves however are extremely reliable, no question. I was stating how the new car has the same chassis, just more rigid with a more Hp motor so Performance will definitely be better. But you’re absolutely correct that we won’t know how reliable these new cars will be until a few years from now. It’s always a gamble buying the first year of a new platform that’s for sure. You make a good point. |
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Without seeing it in person I think Gen 1 looks better and the rear end is not so good but they have done enough to it for me to buy a Gen2. Will give my 2019 manual to my son (17) and have a 2x white 86 garage.
Hope the wheels are 18x8's so I can throw on some 225 PS4's/GR springs straight away - something about 215's just don't sit right.... oh and I hope its has more noise insulation. no other complaints really as the weight didn't increase that much which was my main concern. Perfect weekend toy IMO - looking forward to the test drive. Last edited by Rogue13; 04-08-2021 at 04:48 AM. |
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If the 0-62mph is reduced by 1 second, I would expect to be from a conjunction of factors: tires (you do not know how much the grip difference would make with a higher torque), gearing, aero (drag reduction), weight distribution, suspension geometry. |
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I also posted this in another thread so apologies for the double booking. It looks like Nissan is going all-in on the sleaze approach to selling cars:
https://jalopnik.com/nissan-is-going...ers-1846636646 Especially with a hot car like the Z, that will probably be the most sought-after Nissan in years, I can see the salespeople reacting like sharks finding bloody chum in the water. This will be yet another BS game they’ll play, pressuring buyers into financing terms as long as a house mortgage. As much as I like what I’m seeing with the Z, I think the probability of me buying one just stepped down a notch. Either the second-gen BRZ/86, or just keeping my current car, seems more likely. |
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6.2 second 0-60 times we see are kinda cheating, they give themselves a 1 foot rollout. The 7.4 seconds the press release references as 0-62 time, that must be truly from zero without a 1ft rollout, soft launch, or possibly it's an automatic? In that same 7.4-second run to 62mph they reference, I would bet they did not get to 60mph in 6.2... Quote:
I have to be a bit skeptical of the Toyota press release claiming that big an improvement 0-62. But if it really *is* 1.1 seconds quicker to 60, a lot of that is likely not having to upshift to 3rd, that's ~0.5(ish) right there. And the rest due to better power/weight and no big torque dip. |
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My objection to your comment wasn't that you think it was a better deal but your wide sweeping statement that anybody buying a Hakone only care about appearance and doesn't drive it as "intended". I ask again what is the "intended" way to drive it? I also maintain that as many Hakone owners will track or performance drive them as much as any PP one. I put 150,000 miles on my FRS. COVID restrictions mean the Hakone will be far less but it is still driven everyday. If you actually ever buy one instead of just talking about it will you drive it that much? It is a car, a very nice one, but still just a car and it's intended purpose is to get you from point A to point B. How you chose to drive it in between those points is up to you not the car. I do think the next gen is ugly as hell and I will continue to say so. I also think that the 10% to 12% increase in performance (depending on who you listen to) is wonderful hype but far from the earth shattering changes some make it out to be. What I have not done nor will not due is try to convince others that my opinion is the truth such as you seem to like to do. Oh and congratulations in finally getting through a whole post without including a mention of your " 2007 STI Crawford built, and 91 NSX. Sold my 2012 SS/RS sema Camaro"
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Weight distribution is going to be close to the same, other factors are minor... Anyway, we'll see! |
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^ definitely targeting lower income buyers who will end up paying more but have lower monthly payments. I doubt many people with means will visit a Nissan showroom anyway. I think Nissan knows this as well.
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In twenty-odd years Nissan's managed to swap places with Hyundai in the manufacturer/dealer food chain. Ghosen should be so proud of his legacy.
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