(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[ichitaka05]

In few days, you’ll hear & see next gen BRZ. Let’s see if all my info is correct without spilling any detail info.

Specs... do not expect highly on it, even w new engine. They added extra ps/TQ & called it good. How much? Can’t say. Below 300? Yes. Below 250? Yes. Below 240? Yes. Below... let’s stop here, cuz it gets sad. Even though they could of pushed it bit more. Why they didn’t? Idk. Maybe global safety? & if you’re wondering, yes TQ dip is still there.

Visually, they made the twin more fancy/luxury. Is it actually luxury? Hm... well, kinda? Is it heavier? Yes, but surprised they kept it within certain weight (but not sure the weight of fully loaded version).

Extra features were added. Some are required, so I get it. Some I’m like “why?”.

They could of fixed/update few things, but they didn’t... which is very shame.

Yes, I know, it very vague, but when you guys see the presentation & specs, you’ll get what I’m saying.

Before they find me & yell at me, I’ll stop here.

[daiheadjai]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

In few days, you’ll hear & see next gen BRZ. Let’s see if all my info is correct without spilling any detail info.

Specs... do not expect highly on it, even w new engine. They added extra ps/TQ & called it good. How much? Can’t say. Below 300? Yes. Below 250? Yes. Below 240? Yes. Below... let’s stop here, cuz it gets sad. Even though they could of pushed it bit more. Why they didn’t? Idk. Maybe global safety? & if you’re wondering, yes TQ dip is still there.

Visually, they made the twin more fancy/luxury. Is it actually luxury? Hm... well, kinda? Is it heavier? Yes, but surprised they kept it within certain weight (but not sure the weight of fully loaded version).

Extra features were added. Some are required, so I get it. Some I’m like “why?”.

They could of fixed/update few things, but they didn’t... which is very shame.

Yes, I know, it very vague, but when you guys see the presentation & specs, you’ll get what I’m saying.

Before they find me & yell at me, I’ll stop here.

Thank you for preparing us for the worst.

Toyota/Subaru:

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by daiheadjai

Thank you for preparing us for the worst.

Toyota/Subaru:

It’s not worst as you think... is it better? Imo, no, but for some fans yes.

Trust me, early last yr when I heard some of the info, now THAT was horrible. I rather have Subaru/Toyota ax the project instead.

[mazeroni]

Hmmmm, I'm feeling...

[C4RBON]

If it really does have 217 hp, I wonder if it will garner the same reaction as the 2008 WRX. Subaru quickly changed course and added 40 hp for 2009.


Considering the original FA20 had 100 hp/L, and the current iteration has 102 hp/L, they are leaving some room for improvement. Whether they have a plan to increase power in 3 yrs or never, remains to be seen.


I hope it still uses Toyota's dual injector system, and still doesn't have EGR, tumbler valves, vacuum pumps or any of that nonsense.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by C4RBON

Considering the original FA20 had 100 hp/L, and the current iteration has 102 hp/L, they are leaving some room for improvement. Whether they have a plan to increase power in 3 yrs or never, remains to be seen.

That’s what I thought as well. Not sure they’re making progress to increase of hp as yr goes. But what’s the benefit of doing that? I feel like this is make it or break it kinda atm. Literally, extra several G’s & can have nee Z or 4 cylinder Supra. Why’s the point of not having full potential of power from beginning? Yes, I get they, they got more than 110ps/liter... but what if I told you that they could of done 125ps/liter? Yes, it’ll be a bit harder on the engine & maybe not realizable? Reality is, our current engine could of done 220~225ps, but o’well

[Dirty Harry]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Its a bit more Lexus F car style to me.
Kinda makes it look like a baby Lexus RCF (in the camo it does, maybe not so much when the full car is revealed)

Yeah I can see what you mean. Good pick up.

[C4RBON]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

That’s what I thought as well. Not sure they’re making progress to increase of hp as yr goes. But what’s the benefit of doing that? I feel like this is make it or break it kinda atm. Literally, extra several G’s & can have nee Z or 4 cylinder Supra. Why’s the point of not having full potential of power from beginning? Yes, I get they, they got more than 110ps/liter... but what if I told you that they could of done 125ps/liter? Yes, it’ll be a bit harder on the engine & maybe not realizable? Reality is, our current engine could of done 220~225ps, but o’well

I'm assuming they are using a 2.4L engine, if they do 110 hp/L (SAE hp) on the 2.0L I will be satisfied. 125 hp/L is certainly possible, but at the price point I don't see that being realistic. Besides the S2000, some Porsches and Ferraris, NA cars don't go beyond 100 hp/L. At some point, it really does make more sense to turbocharge. The cost of manufacturing engines that go past 7,000 rpm goes up, efficiency goes down due to increased friction and pumping losses, and emissions increase due to higher in-cylinder temperatures.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

That’s what I thought as well. Not sure they’re making progress to increase of hp as yr goes. But what’s the benefit of doing that? I feel like this is make it or break it kinda atm. Literally, extra several G’s & can have nee Z or 4 cylinder Supra. Why’s the point of not having full potential of power from beginning? Yes, I get they, they got more than 110ps/liter... but what if I told you that they could of done 125ps/liter? Yes, it’ll be a bit harder on the engine & maybe not realizable? Reality is, our current engine could of done 220~225ps, but o’well

Unfortunately what the engine could be capable of and what they can actually do to it are two totally different things. They have to hit the mileage/emissions/cost/reliability wall at some point and they can't just ignore that no mater how much more they should be able to pull out of it.

[C4RBON]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Unfortunately what the engine could be capable of and what they can actually do to it are two totally different things. They have to hit the mileage/emissions/cost/reliability wall at some point and they can't just ignore that no mater how much more they should be able to pull out of it.

The more they leave on the table, the more room the aftermarket has to play. Unless they put out a product bad enough that people leave the platform, the aftermarket will remain healthy, which is good for all owners, regardless of if they mod or not.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by C4RBON

The more they leave on the table, the more room the aftermarket has to play. Unless they put out a product bad enough that people leave the platform, the aftermarket will remain healthy, which is good for all owners, regardless of if they mod or not.

They released all the tech data to the aftermarket well in advance of the first release to do exactly that. The aftermarket isn't hobbled by the rules that the OEMs are.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by C4RBON

The more they leave on the table, the more room the aftermarket has to play. .

Thing is, the majority of buyers, me included, couldn't care less what they left on the table for the aftermarket. In particular with a new car (vs used) if it isn't provided upfront by the manufacturer with full warranty, it's useless, and not really untapped potential, its just nonexistent.

I personally prefer the GM model where they produce the vehicle in tiers of power with the same family of engines. I can buy it directly from them.

If you are only going to sell one model, then sell it in its best configuration.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by C4RBON

I'm assuming they are using a 2.4L engine, if they do 110 hp/L (SAE hp) on the 2.0L I will be satisfied. 125 hp/L is certainly possible, but at the price point I don't see that being realistic. Besides the S2000, some Porsches and Ferraris, NA cars don't go beyond 100 hp/L. At some point, it really does make more sense to turbocharge. The cost of manufacturing engines that go past 7,000 rpm goes up, efficiency goes down due to increased friction and pumping losses, and emissions increase due to higher in-cylinder temperatures.

Correction on my calculation. They’re hitting <95ps/liter

[Kiske]

I just want to see if I in fact (again) wasted a bunch of money on my 2.3l (2.268l actually) HKS Stroker FA20 engine build. Can't wait to benchmark it against OEM.



I also have a big shopping cart of misc things for my car but, I've wanted to hold off until I see the next gen released.