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Old 10-06-2021, 03:46 PM   #197
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It sounds like a couple users are really here to nitpick and want to justify by any means to stick with the first gen. It's as simple as: If you have a current gen and prefer the looks, have a connection to yours, or are strapped for cash, just keep it! Otherwise consider the upgrade!
First gen is nice, I know them well....currently own 3...2nd gen looks nice, will own a few of them as well I assume, will likely have a hybrid 1st gen with a 2nd gen powerplant as well...big kid legos....
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Old 10-06-2021, 04:23 PM   #198
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If my 13 wasn't in great shape with less than 75k on it I'd plunk down the 30k or so in cash for a new one. I may still do it though
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Old 10-06-2021, 04:32 PM   #199
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I agree 100%, realistically this refresh could not have gone much better than it did.
It's making it very difficult for me to wait until next year once people can actually get their hands on a Z.

And I am starting to get a little itch to get something since I sold my NC back in March and we've just been sharing our Mazda 3 since.
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Old 10-06-2021, 05:48 PM   #200
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If my son wasn't 14, I wouldn't resign myself to the fact that my next car will probably be an automatic something that's not high risk for insurance. Maybe a hybrid.
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I think we all need to keep in mind that aesthetics are a perfectly viable and valid reason to prefer the old car over the new one. Just because people are (rightly) saying that aesthetics are pretty much the only reason why you would choose the old one doesn’t make it a less legitimate reason.
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Old 10-06-2021, 06:05 PM   #202
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When was this an option? It certainly wasn't in 2013. I believe the dual climate control was included in some Special Editions, but that doesn't make it an option.
Based on his listed location, he's in Greece and I believe you could get the base AC or the automatic AC on the 86 when it came out. Stateside the FR-S obviously didn't offer the choice.

But yeah, the AC delete was never an option that I'm aware of except for the RC which was Japan only.
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Old 10-06-2021, 06:41 PM   #203
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I like the look of the gen 1 better. However, I also think they knocked it out of the park with the Gen 2 Likely own one of each in the years to come. Gen 1 for street and Gen 2 for track. One AT and one MT.

Keeping it affordable is something I think people may be understating.
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I think we all need to keep in mind that aesthetics are a perfectly viable and valid reason to prefer the old car over the new one. Just because people are (rightly) saying that aesthetics are pretty much the only reason why you would choose the old one doesn’t make it a less legitimate reason.
Fair reason. Subjective vs objective. I just hate it when people rationalize something subjective.

Just: "I like it more." Period. I'm all like "Cool!"
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Fair reason. Subjective vs objective. I just hate it when people rationalize something subjective.

Just: "I like it more." Period. I'm all like "Cool!"

Exactly.

That’s why I mentioned it is a valid reason without additional qualifiers. Rationalizing a subjective reason makes me think you’re trying to convince yourself, rather than it truly being how you feel.
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Old 10-06-2021, 07:59 PM   #206
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My white '13 with the red seat panels, totally track focused and I have no need to look further. I'm coming off of a 911 Twin Turbo and a Miata (it sucked). I call it Little Car. Little Car serves me well. Zero need for something else.
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Old 10-06-2021, 08:38 PM   #207
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I think people with modified first gens may find it hard to upgrade too. If you spent time modifying, researching parts, fitting them and getting the car to exactly how you want. Some people may not be keen to start all that again if that makes sense.

The wheels on mine for example would be able to switch over, but things like the STI lowering springs and STI axle back exhaust won’t. So you start to think, do I want to start again and throw money at a new car. Plus I love the look and feel of mine now, so it makes it harder to think of upgrading, even though my mods are minor.

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I think people with modified first gens may find it hard to upgrade too. If you spent time modifying, researching parts, fitting them and getting the car to exactly how you want. Some people may not be keen to start all that again if that makes sense.

The wheels on mine for example would be able to switch over, but things like the STI lowering springs and STI axle back exhaust won’t. So you start to think, do I want to start again and throw money at a new car. Plus I love the look and feel of mine now, so it makes it harder to think of upgrading, even though my mods are minor.
we dial our cars in then look at a big loss to go to gen 2.makes zero sense.
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we dial our cars in then look at a big loss to go to gen 2.makes zero sense.
Yeah it’d kind of feel like I’m shooting Bambi if I traded it in or sold it now lol.

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If my son wasn't 14, I wouldn't resign myself to the fact that my next car will probably be an automatic something that's not high risk for insurance. Maybe a hybrid.
Speaking as a Father of 3 sons, you don't have to resign yourself to that.

First, teach them to drive a MT. That was a requirement for my kids getting their license, along with how to change a tire, check oil levels, etc.

Second, depending on the insurance company, if you buy your kids a cheap reliable car and "assign" it to them, it will have minimal impact on your personal vehicles, at least that was my experience. Yours may vary based on insurance company, and where you live.
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