200hp / 2700lbs - Really?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by DesertSpool

Exactly my point.......why build another 180-200hp Na Tc with a sweet candy shell? Just go buy the Tc if that's what you want.

Troll much?

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by DesertSpool

Exactly my point.......why build another 180-200hp Na Tc with a sweet candy shell? Just go buy the Tc if that's what you want.

you haven't made any valid points. if you're too simple to see the differences between the FT86 and the TC, i'm not going to waste my time explaining them to you.

[NESW20]

good job being obtuse.

[NESW20]

you're cute.

[Dimman]

Yeah, totally not trolling at all...

[CyberFormula]

220hp from a 2.0 at $23k is an achievement.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by DesertSpool

Or 247 from a 2.0 at $24K.....that will hit 300hp on breather mods.

What would it take to make a NA 220hp small displacement hit 300hp?

Hellova a lot of $. It is possible... cuz some tuners shop have done 300hp w 2.5L (165hp) Impreza RS engine.

[ichitaka05]

Originally Posted by DesertSpool

Hmmmmm I guess. I know what it take to bring the Z to 300whp....nothing short of a miracle.

I'd assume you'd have to boost. The Z's and boost dont seem to get along if you read the myriad of nightmares on the Z forums. I'd hope this car is different.

Ha.... You're comparing Z w this?

First, Z have 2 extra cylinders. Second, Z have 1.5L~1.7L more. Lastly, it's wrong to compare w Z. Miata or S2k might be understandable. Look at those 2, have to seen NA 300hp Miata or S2k? I for one never seen it (except swapped w LS engine).

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by DesertSpool

Anyway...

Even hyundai has a 2.0L 250hp car for under 30K. Toyota........dont let us down....again. If youre looking for Toyota quality.....even the engine is outsourced to Subbie if I'm not mistaken.

When you have competition from Ford in the form of a Turbo Focus ST and a SUBARU in the form of a WRX. Anything less than FI will be a disappointment.

I don't see the big deal with HP cause the way I see it its more about how the car drives, feels and puts down that power that I care about.

I'm going to assume you mean the Sonata since its the only 2.0 from Hyundai that makes 250hp+ (274HP) but I wouldn't want that engine considering Hyundai themselves said that the engine was meant to be a v6 alt as oppose to a high performance engine which is clear when you consider that with 274hp it makes its run from 0-60 in 6.5s while the Civic Si with 197 makes the same run in 6.8s

Build me a proper sports car with enough power for fun then a car with lots to brag about on paper but not very impressive drive. Specs do not define a car if this thing has 200HP and is a blast to drive then it'll be awesome I will say tho I would like a turbo option but one that is actually designed to be a performer and not just look good on paper

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by DesertSpool

Hmmmmm I guess. I know what it take to bring the Z to 300whp....nothing short of a miracle.

I'd assume you'd have to boost. The Z's and boost dont seem to get along if you read the myriad of nightmares on the Z forums. I'd hope this car is different.

Really? I thought the Z loves boost?

There are a couple of Z around here that have been boosted for a long time most notable would be the 420TT 350z that just a beauty

[blur]

Okay, you guys said one thing that bothered me, and that was that this car has no direct competition. I see the gen coupe as competition. That's considering that at 24K you can get brembo brakes, LSD, 6 speed, and turbo.

In terms of tuning potential, the gen coupe can get 280whp from a tune alone. I suppose in what the gen coupe lacks with handling it makes up for with power.

Dont get me wrong, the Gen coupe is not a better car for the money. It's not lightweight, and doesn't handle too well; so that's where the FT86 will steal the spotlight.

Also, this is bothering me.
"I'm going to assume you mean the Sonata since its the only 2.0 from Hyundai that makes 250hp+ (274HP) but I wouldn't want that engine considering Hyundai themselves said that the engine was meant to be a v6 alt as oppose to a high performance engine which is clear when you consider that with 274hp it makes its run from 0-60 in 6.5s while the Civic Si with 197 makes the same run in 6.8s"
Why in the world are you comparing these two cars? At least compare the sonata to the 4 door civic, thats much more fair, considering that sonata isnt sport tuned.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by blur

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Also, this is bothering me.

"I'm going to assume you mean the Sonata since its the only 2.0 from Hyundai that makes 250hp+ (274HP) but I wouldn't want that engine considering Hyundai themselves said that the engine was meant to be a v6 alt as oppose to a high performance engine which is clear when you consider that with 274hp it makes its run from 0-60 in 6.5s while the Civic Si with 197 makes the same run in 6.8s"
Why in the world are you comparing these two cars? At least compare the sonata to the 4 door civic, thats much more fair, considering that sonata isnt sport tuned.

I was tryin to make that point exactly

HP numbers mean nothing if the car isn't designed well. All these guys are complaining that the car needs 250HP+ so I wanted to show that a high HP number is good for nothing but being on paper if the car isnt designed well

btw I do find it funny that you say its unfair for the Hyundai consider I'm comparing a 2.0T to a 2.0.

[blur]

meh.

think of it this way; the 2.0t gets more mpg than the si.

[Mr.Jay]

you got me there

I lose XD