Anybody else about to move on?

[neutron256]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I have better things to do then put my life on hold for a car to come out when I don't even know if it's gonna be at the price point I want.

We all know that's not true. If any of us had anything better to do why would be be on this forum all the time?

[Vasilis]

Originally Posted by Hasjwandje

The dutch website of Toyota is saying it will have a starting price of 40.000 euro.. how bout them apples

Here in Cyprus also within the EU, the tax alone will be 15,000 euro.
Add that to whatever the price may be...

Just to understand how it goes, a new Subaru WRX STI (the 305hp version) is 30,800 euro without tax. With tax (for 2500cc) it is 61,800 euro.

FYI - 61,800 eur = ~80,000$ USD

[Capt Canuck]

Originally Posted by neutron256

We all know that's not true. If any of us had anything better to do why would be be on this forum all the time?

LOL! Good one
Of course anyone who equates waiting to purchase a car to 'putting their life on hold' might want to adjust their priorities... unless you are a cabbie or a driving instructor ;-)

[cassidy0998]

Since $26k has been floating around quite heavily. (They said from the beginning it would be under $30k) I think I may move on if this turns out to be the case. They are holding out to keep us waiting so we'll just go ahead and get it anyway. If it were going to be any cheaper than the new $25k Genesis Coupe 2.0T they'd be bragging about it left and right.

It's all about the hype.

If the base price is anywhere near $26k, I'm out of here.

[Enemies]

Originally Posted by Vasilis

Here in Cyprus also within the EU, the tax alone will be 15,000 euro.
Add that to whatever the price may be...

Just to understand how it goes, a new Subaru WRX STI (the 305hp version) is 30,800 euro without tax. With tax (for 2500cc) it is 61,800 euro.

FYI - 61,800 eur = ~80,000$ USD

With that being the case I'd be looking for a new bicycle instead of a car right about now.

[Mr.Jay]

Originally Posted by Capt Canuck

Of course anyone who equates waiting to purchase a car to 'putting their life on hold' might want to adjust their priorities... unless you are a cabbie or a driving instructor ;-)

I don't see the harm in waiting for offical info, test driving it and then deciding on if you want it or not? Its only $500 and its 100% refundable and when I say its only 500 I mean if you can't afford to put 500 to hold a spot you prob shouldn't be buying this car anyways XD

Originally Posted by Vasilis

All I'm saying you can either get an equally rewarding car or a better car overall (don't tell me you're comparing the GT86 to an RX7 FD or a Supra 6speed twin turbo or even a R33 Skyline) for LESS money... And these cars are also iconic.

As much as I love the idea of a new RWD coupe coming out, if you're just looking for driving experience there's cheaper and better cars out there...
I am not raining on your parade, if you can afford it, if you think it's the right move for you by all means DO IT. You'll enjoy it I am sure...

But if you own anything else half decent, I'd wait...

Thats the thing tho finding one of those iconic cars stock is impossible


Also to the mustang hate thats crazy talk. Ford has developed the car into a very very good machine

Love the Shebly GT500 but its more about power than anything else with that car lol I personally rather take a Boss or the GT

[Vasilis]

Originally Posted by Enemies

With that being the case I'd be looking for a new bicycle instead of a car right about now.

True, I am actually in the market for one (for exercise though not transportation)

To see why the GT86 is an even bigger dilemma in most EU countries I'll list you some facts - Granted some of this cars are not in the same category or style with the GT86 but you can compare with the prices in the US:


a) Consider I bought my RX8 for $9000 (7000 euro) - JDM import, Type S (the 247hp/2888lbs version instead of what you guys get 232hp/3000lbs) with under 60,000 miles and great condition.

b) Consider an RX7 FD would cost me approx. the equivalent of $15,000 (a decent stock one) or a Lotus Elise S2 (also a decent one, not the cheapest one I could find) around $20,000-$22,000 (used of course) - Same for a Supra TT 6spd (as low as $17,000 or maybe $25,000 for a high spec one/low mileage or for highly modded ones)

c) Consider an 2007-2008 Audi TT 3.2 V6 Quattro with low miles and S-Tronic gearbox would cost also approx. $20,000

d) An MR2 Turbo (250hp) - A good one, approx. $6000-$8000 - The MR-S or MR2 Spyder as you may know it can be had for the same price with even less mileage and a lot of these include the hardtop.
The MX5 NC is around the $8000 as well and the NB and NA can be had from $2200 to $5000


I think you all get the picture why all the EU enthusiasts are so hesitant on spending over 40,000 euro / over $53,000 for a new GT86...

We all love it but sometimes you have to listen to your brain (and your wallet), not only your heart

[n2oinferno]

I just pretend the car is being built by Blizzard. Then I don't expect it to be out for the next year or so.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

I just pretend the car is being built by Blizzard. Then I don't expect it to be out for the next year or so.

And now I have Red Bull all over my keyboard.

[53Driver]

To answer the OP's question, I have been following this car since the rumors started swirling years back. So I don't mind waiting another year or two because I am curious to see what real world reports are like when they start hitting the street. Plus, I don't like getting 1st year runs and I also like to give it time so that aftermarket companies can develop quality products.

Now, I'd like to address what I think are some false perceptions about the Mustang and a SLA (straight live axle) setup. First, for the people making the comments about how "antiquated" the technology is, well we could make the same argument about the wheel right? Have you ever driven a car with a properly setup SLA? Also keep in mind, that the SLA keeps weight off the car (compare a Mustang GT base weight with a Camaro SS base weight) and also keep in mind that a large part of the demographics who drive "muscle cars" want a SLA for drag racing purposes. With that being said, have you actually looked at the performance numbers that the new Boss Mustangs and the Mustang GTs are putting down? One more thing, if money isn't an option, you can take the current generation Mustang and put a Griggs suspension on it (maintaining the SLA setup but adding things like a Watts link) and it will outperform about 99% of the vehicles out there. Keep in mind you are going to spend about 5K for a proper "street" set up and about 15K for a "race" set up. I have seat time in a "race" prepped (but still street legal) Griggs Mustang and the handling was phenomenal (even over bumps and uneven parts of the track thanks in large part to the Watts Link). Just go to YouTube and do a search on "Griggs" if you want to seem some videos of what a "antiquated" SLA equipped car can do.

As far as "bringing back the passion", I'd say that is highly subjective. I've owned 2 Accords, a 350Z, an AP2 S2000 and as you can see from my sig a '08 Shelby GT500. I can tell you that the GT500 was by far the "most exciting" car of all the ones I have owned. With a CAI, axle back exhaust and custom tune I was putting down 500 rwhp. I had friends who upgraded to a larger displacement S/C and were making over 700 rwhp. Was it too much for the "street"? Depends I guess. I can say I enjoyed every minute of it, you just had to use proper throttle control and know when "not too get on it". Sliding the tail of the car out at will can be addicting when you are in the proper forum. A hooligan's car if you will. Also, parts were cheap and plentiful, the engine was bullet proof and the car was easy to work on.

With all that being said, I still miss my S2000 and I think the FR-S/BRZ will be a great fit to replace that void.

[old greg]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

SLA (straight live axle)

Your acronym is confusing my brain. SLA = Short-Long-Arm = "Double Wishbone".

[Chupacabra]

Originally Posted by 53Driver

A hooligan's car if you will. Also, parts were cheap and plentiful, the engine was bullet proof and the car was easy to work on.

Correct.

The only dilemma I have with the Mustang you addressed but I'll give my interpretation. The Live-Axle is proven, but when driving aggressively during AutoX or through technical turns, the throttle is an on/off switch. Too much and wha-pow...gone. Too little and you're slower than the car's potential.

It's not a very forgiving vehicle in that realm and deserves an experienced driver. Your auto history shows you have the skill to own one.

[53Driver]

Originally Posted by old greg

Your acronym is confusing my brain. SLA = Short-Long-Arm = "Double Wishbone".

In my earlier post, for some reason my brain was substituting "straight" for the "S". I meant "Solid" for the "S". Some people use the acronym "SLA" for "solid live axle". I'll attribute my mistake to being tired from a long day at work.

Originally Posted by Chupacabra

Correct.

The only dilemma I have with the Mustang you addressed but I'll give my interpretation. The Live-Axle is proven, but when driving aggressively during AutoX or through technical turns, the throttle is an on/off switch. Too much and wha-pow...gone. Too little and you're slower than the car's potential.

It's not a very forgiving vehicle in that realm and deserves an experienced driver. Your auto history shows you have the skill to own one.

I understand what you're saying. The Watts Link corrects that deficiency. You can buy the Griggs "street package" for about 3.5K. However, the Watts Link will add about 1.2K to the price tag as an option which I recommend for that very reason. My GT500 would break traction even in 3rd gear in a straight line at speed (in stock form). With the Watts Link you could "get on it" from a stand still and the back end would stay firmly planted with no "wiggle" at all. Even taking sharp turns at speed over rough/uneven patches were no issue with the Watts Link. Like I said, a properly set up SLA suspension will run equal to a similarly equipped IRS car with all other variables being equal.:happy0180:

[Jordo!]

I got sick of waiting over a year ago and bought a 370Z.

I plan on keeping it or buying the next gen Z unless a more powerful version of the FR-S comes out.