Subaru BRZ Prototype Review by Car and Driver. Calls it a Knockout.

[Sea1monkey2]

Originally Posted by tommy

I hope they aren't implying it won't have a sunroof option. I want a sunroof.

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[tommy]

Originally Posted by Sea1monkey2

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You don't want a sunroof?

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by old greg

Only if the auto trans is a POS. The Altezza auto trans was too weak to take the full torque of the BEAMS 3SGE, and the torque converter in the RX8's auto trans couldn't be spun to the full rpm of the Renesis 13B.

Altezza auto engine was basically tuned for lower-end torque/midrange power, probably to offset a) the torque converter's losses and b) people buying auto are less likely to be banging off redline shifts, and drive with the 'power under the curve. I just can't see it being too weak to handle 159 lb-ft.

Alternatively c) same problem as the rotary?

[serialk11r]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

This may have been said already, but 210*5252/6500=170, so we know it makes 170lb/ft at least from 4000 to 6500. I'm sure it falls flat on its face after that though. Maybe I will do some math later but I think shifting at 6500 should keep you right in the power band with a close ratio 6 speed, so it should be plenty torquey when driven properly. Of course this still all depends on the weight. 170lb/ft in a 2800 car would be pretty lame I think.

Uh what? What do you mean "we know it makes 170lb/ft at least from 4000 to 6500"? It looks like you're assuming power is constant, which is completely false.

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Dimman

and b) people buying auto are less likely to be banging off redline shifts, and drive with the 'power under the curve.

this assumption by auto manufacturers annoys me... a properly designed auto can rival the DCTs and AMTs of the world...

if these assumptions show up in the FT, i'll instantly lose faith in this car...

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

This may have been said already, but 210*5252/6500=170, so we know it makes 170lb/ft at least from 4000 to 6500. I'm sure it falls flat on its face after that though. Maybe I will do some math later but I think shifting at 6500 should keep you right in the power band with a close ratio 6 speed, so it should be plenty torquey when driven properly. Of course this still all depends on the weight. 170lb/ft in a 2800 car would be pretty lame I think.

I think it shows more that the guy who wrote the article has little clue about how engines work.

But I also think that it could hint at someone leaking the real BMEP number...

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

Nice ninja edit.

Lol. I need to start reading my posts before I hit submit.

Originally Posted by serialk11r

Uh what? What do you mean "we know it makes 170lb/ft at least from 4000 to 6500"? It looks like you're assuming power is constant, which is completely false.

Peak torque is 170 at 4000 rpm. Peak hp is 210 at 6500rpm = 170lb/ft, meaning it is still making peak tq at that point. After that, tq falls off quickly, or else peak hp would be higher. Unless the torque dips in the middle and then comes back up (I don't think I've ever seen that), it will make 170 between those two RPMs.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Spaceywilly

Lol. I need to start reading my posts before I hit submit.



Peak torque is 170 at 4000 rpm. Peak hp is 210 at 6500rpm = 170lb/ft, meaning it is still making peak tq at that point. After that, tq falls off quickly, or else peak hp would be higher. Unless the torque dips in the middle and then comes back up (I don't think I've ever seen that), it will make 170 between those two RPMs.

No.

See post above.

[Aki]

Originally Posted by tommy

You don't want a sunroof?

An extra 50 lbs at the highest point of the car? No thanks.

[suprachica79]

Originally Posted by tommy

You don't want a sunroof?

Most guys on here don't want one because it takes headroom away which is vital to many of the guys who wear helmets and race. I personally want one and hope it is an option.

[Midship Runabout]

Originally Posted by Aki

An extra 50 lbs at the highest point of the car? No thanks.

No ones ever gonna notice the difference on a street car. I vote sunroof as an option.

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by Aki

An extra 50 lbs at the highest point of the car? No thanks.

This.

I'd rather them sell an alternate convertible version for women and people going through mid-life crisis.

[coyote]

Originally Posted by quik1987

I'd rather them sell an alternate convertable version for women and people going through mid-life crisis.

They have already planned an automatic version for that market.

[SUB-FT86]

Originally Posted by coyote

They have already planned an automatic version for that market.

This guy thinks he's funny.