Subaru Coupe (version of FR-S/FT-86) Spotted Inside and Out! + New Interior Pic

[Levi]

Yes photos and infos. Try to get a look on the dashbord as see where redline ends.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Dimman

It is my understanding that SOA Blog on NASIOC isn't a single individual, but a bunch of people whose job is to informally drop info to the Subaru fans on NASIOC. Keep this in mind when judging the information coming from them. Also keep in mind that it is SOA for America. Which as far as I know has ZERO input on the engineering side of things. They just sell and service cars on this side of the ocean. They have no more engineering input with FHI than Scion does with Toyota.

Sure they may get to make requests, like 'We want a bigger motor in the STI' but it is FHI that is making the final decisions and actually do it.

You're right at some points, but if the car is also made in the US, Subaru/Toyota USA probably help designing, developing the car. This is the reason why we see the car on the states. The data and analysis are going to be finalized by Subaru/Toyota Japan, but I still see efforts Subaru/Toyota USA and EU put in the car, not only Subaru/Toyota Japan.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dark

You're right at some points, but if the car is also made in the US, Subaru/Toyota USA probably help designing, developing the car. This is the reason why we see the car on the states. The data and analysis are going to be finalized by Subaru/Toyota Japan, but I still see efforts Subaru/Toyota USA and EU put in the car, not only Subaru/Toyota Japan.

They will be testing here, they will consider some of the opinions made by the Americans, but all the final decisions are made in Japan. I would bet money that wherever this car is going, there is a veritable entourage of Japanese engineers.

I would put the 'outside of Japan' contribution to engineering at less than 5%.

[Dark]

I found this on nasioc (google search).
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1554514
This tell me that all Subaru cars put on sale in the US have to go through Subaru USA R&D.
Edit: They surely have few employee in R&D dept, but saying "I would put the 'outside of Japan' contribution to engineering at less than 5%." is not believable because EU counterpart also puts effort on development too IIRC.

Edit: This is what I found: http://www.aspiresolution.com/jobs/a...eer-subaru-rd/
It was emission testing and stuff back in 1998, but we don't know what it is 13 years after.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by Dark

I found this on nasioc (google search).
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1554514
This tell me that all Subaru cars put on sale in the US have to go through Subaru USA R&D.

I would say that that department is for is to make sure the models meet US safety. emissions, lighting, etc... requirements. They say it is only 40 employees.

(link is broken in it...)

Main point I was getting at is while one source is discredited (not that the awful spelling and vague points weren't warning bells...), doesn't mean that the other one is now automatically correct.

SOA Blog is there on NASIOC, preaching to the choir, to promote buzz. That is all. A little 'rivalry' between FHI and Toyota over who's project it is, cements the loyalty of the Subaru clan, gets them excited.

It's something called 'User Generated Content' in some marketing circles. Let the customers do some (or a ton) of your marketing for you.

We are doing the same thing ourselves, here, for Toyota/Scion.

It's a joint project. We know this. Hopefully the team is made of who ever is best for the job, from both companies.

[PAImportTuner]

-Dark, I didn't post that info on here for a reason. Hachi stated no more BS and trolling, so I didn't want to drag it any further on here.


Back to the discussion

Originally Posted by Maxim

God I know!

Did you read my recent posts in this thread, where I talked about the issues I had with my '95 cobra?

I offset the wheels for that very reason! The SN95 Mustang was notorious for this. It's because it was still based on the Foxbody platform of the previous-gen mustang, which was a significantly smaller vehicle. The car couldn't be given good handling manners with a wider wheelbase because the suspension mount points made optimising the geometry for a larger car impossible without tucking the wheels in an inch or two.

I will say, though, that my '95 Cobra handled like it was on rails. Apart from steering wheel feel, it really handled quite a bit better than my '10 GTI. The only bad trait in stock form was the excessive brake dive, which was also caused by the suspension geometry.

The worse part about a SN95 is brake dive like you mentioned, caster/camber curve and rear end side to side movement.

-800+lb spring in the front and and a good set of double adjustable shocks/struts and 38+mm front sway bar will take care of brake dive.
-Camber and caster plate on the front tower will fix the stock dynamics.
-Rear end, two options torque arm and panhard bar, or a fays watts link.
^^ cost about $1600

Once you do these to the car it's a dream to drive, the 94-95 Mustang is said to have the best of both words. Low weight and stiff chassis, stiffest chassis til the 05+ Mustangs came out.

I have about $4000+/- just in suspension mods on my SN95 Cobra it's my toy, I run ESP class in SCCA events, my time is on par with modded Miatas and S2000s with similar mods. I squeeze 275s on stock 8" wide wheels and run 20mm spacers in the rear for more track. I guess what I'm saying is any car can be made to handle exceptionally well with money and the right person dialing in the suspension.

I really can't wait to see how balanced the car is. On paper the car seems like it's going to be nirvana on wheels when cornering. I don't like hype because when I actually sit in it and toss it around I will lose a lot of feelings because of it.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by Dimman

I would say that that department is for is to make sure the models meet US safety. emissions, lighting, etc... requirements. They say it is only 40 employees.

(link is broken in it...)

Main point I was getting at is while one source is discredited (not that the awful spelling and vague points weren't warning bells...), doesn't mean that the other one is now automatically correct.

SOA Blog is there on NASIOC, preaching to the choir, to promote buzz. That is all. A little 'rivalry' between FHI and Toyota over who's project it is, cements the loyalty of the Subaru clan, gets them excited.

It's something called 'User Generated Content' in some marketing circles. Let the customers do some (or a ton) of your marketing for you.

We are doing the same thing ourselves, here, for Toyota/Scion.

It's a joint project. We know this. Hopefully the team is made of who ever is best for the job, from both companies.

I just found out that Subaru EU R&D does loaded of job.
But yeah, like you said, it's about marketing. Like I said before, I never believe anything about Subaru does MAJOR development. We can just wait and see which side was telling the truth.

[chulooz]

Pshh, effing subaru owners and their new car.

hahaha. But really though, SOA Blog is employed by subaru of america, its hardly informal information, although we cant assume press release confidence for anything.

[SOB]

Better be turbod if they think its going to keep up with that STI.

[Maxim]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

-Dark, I didn't post that info on here for a reason. Hachi stated no more BS and trolling, so I didn't want to drag it any further on here.


Back to the discussion



The worse part about a SN95 is brake dive like you mentioned, caster/camber curve and rear end side to side movement.

-800+lb spring in the front and and a good set of double adjustable shocks/struts and 38+mm front sway bar will take care of brake dive.
-Camber and caster plate on the front tower will fix the stock dynamics.
-Rear end, two options torque arm and panhard bar, or a fays watts link.
^^ cost about $1600

Once you do these to the car it's a dream to drive, the 94-95 Mustang is said to have the best of both words. Low weight and stiff chassis, stiffest chassis til the 05+ Mustangs came out.

I have about $4000+/- just in suspension mods on my SN95 Cobra it's my toy, I run ESP class in SCCA events, my time is on par with modded Miatas and S2000s with similar mods. I squeeze 275s on stock 8" wide wheels and run 20mm spacers in the rear for more track. I guess what I'm saying is any car can be made to handle exceptionally well with money and the right person dialing in the suspension.

I really can't wait to see how balanced the car is. On paper the car seems like it's going to be nirvana on wheels when cornering. I don't like hype because when I actually sit in it and toss it around I will lose a lot of feelings because of it.

Well, technically I'd make the argument that the previous gen Foxbody mustang was actually better for racing. With the addition of a couple subrame connectors (not that expensive...) the chassis rigidity can be made EXTREMELY tight. The engine bay can handle anything that fits in the newer Mustangs (with the correct hood). And it's several hundred pounds lighter.

Full suspension on a Foxbody mustang, along with engine mods (and there is no engine on earth that enjoys a better aftermarket...) can result in quite possibly the best low cost track toy on the planet. It's pretty easy to get a 400+hp sub-3000 pound track monster out of the Foxbody platform....

[PAImportTuner]

Now that we got that all out of our system.. Lets get back on topic.

Let's talk about if you guys think that the Scion model will have the same interior quality and accents as the Subaru model? Do you think Scion's interior is going to look like this? Explain why.

[enc0re]

Let's see. Interior Toyota Avensis.


Interior Scion tC.


Outlook? Not so good.

[Dark]

Originally Posted by PAImportTuner

Now that we got that all out of our system.. Lets get back on topic.

Let's talk about if you guys think that the Scion model will have the same interior quality and accents as the Subaru model? Do you think Scion's interior is going to look like this? Explain why.

I believe that the interior is Scion/Toyota only, and Subaru will have different interior. The revealed part of the interior looks similar to the tC. :| I hope I'm wrong tho.

[PAImportTuner]

Do you see the speaker grill located on the dash between the gauge cluster and a pillar?