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[Spuds]

Originally Posted by Atropine

Right, but vaccines typically last a very long time (forever or years).

I am NOT saying the "vaccine" is bad. I am saying it is mislabled and the definition of "vaccine" was changed in the last 18 months.

That is why a lot of people don't trust it.

I am just filling you in on what some people think...or why they are skeptical.

I agree that the government has been doing us dirty a long time in the US and I think with more news sources, people are awakening to it.

BTW the current vaccines don't really prevent the disease. Many prophylactics do prevent, but some just reduce symptoms. The Peanut Butter shot for the military was mentioned earlier. That is a good example.

I am not trying to be confrontational fellas.

I'm not entirely sure who you are agreeing with here. I don't recall anyone saying that in the last few posts.

[Capt Spaulding]

No. The intended purpose of prophylactics is what it has always been. Stop the spread of disease by preventing the user from contracting the malady. If it is not administered or used with that intent it is NOT a prophylactic. You insist on misusing the term, I suspect deliberately. You say you are not trying to be confrontational, yet you persist in spreading pernicious disinformation. The same is true of your "doing us dirty" quip. The fact that certain disreputable politicians and "news" sources promote that idea doesn't make it any truer than baseless nonsense the same sources spread about the SARS-COV-2 vaccines. Those eople haven't "awakened," they have been snowed - drunk the kool aid, swallowed the bait - bought the biggest of the big lies.

Contrary to your assertions, the current vaccines do prevent the disease with an impressive degree of efficacy. They are much better at what they have done and do than any number of other vaccines that people accept routinely. To say that the definition of a vaccine has changed is disingenuous. They are now what they have always been - imperfect mechanisms for the PREVENTION of disease. The fact that they are imperfect does not alter what they are and what they do. And it does not diminish the benefits they have and continue to confer.

The use of "some people think" is a classic way of disguising the presentation of demonstrable falsehoods. One certain former public official was and remains a master of this. "Some people are saying," or "Everybody knows" followed by a whopper of a lie was and remains a trademark tactic. Unfortunately, it is effective on certain groups.

[Atropine]

I just don't have the energy to discuss this anymore.
For you to at all see another person's POV you would have to consider that the horseshit information that you have been consuming forever might be wrong or incomplete.

Fuck it. Get 2 or 3 boosters a year. I don't give a fuck.
But quit trying to force it on others.
Many of us just are done with it.
I may catch COVID again...I just don't care.

I just want to be left alone.

There really are just two types of people politically.

People who want to be left alone,and people who won't leave others alone.

And that's the issue now.

One side is incapable of leaving the other side alone.

If the vaccine works so well...get it then and leave others alone.

[MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires]

Originally Posted by Atropine

Right, but vaccines typically last a very long time (forever or years).

like the flu vaccine?

Originally Posted by Atropine

I am NOT saying the "vaccine" is bad. I am saying it is mislabled and the definition of "vaccine" was changed in the last 18 months.

That is why a lot of people don't trust it.

I am just filling you in on what some people think...or why they are skeptical.

there's a litany of "reasons" of why people don't trust it and I'm not sure you have an inside line on it. you're one of only two people I've seen specifically mentioning this redefinition as the reason, most people are not espousing this view.

most people have decided they don't want it for what the fuck ever reason and they're just making up excuses as they go. adults who picked oppositional defiance disorder on the character selection and simply refuse to be told to anything about their health, hygiene or behaviors.

Originally Posted by Atropine

I agree that the government has been doing us dirty a long time in the US and I think with more news sources, people are awakening to it.

lets me ask you: what non-mainstream news sources that are new or whatever definition you are using here, are investigating or reporting information that is useful, important AND TRUE that are being missed by the mainstream media?

let's see some concrete data and a compelling argument here (there's tons of valid criticism of media about but your claim here lacks evidence).

Originally Posted by Atropine

BTW the current vaccines don't really prevent the disease. Many prophylactics do prevent, but some just reduce symptoms. The Peanut Butter shot for the military was mentioned earlier. That is a good example.

I am not trying to be confrontational fellas.

it doesn't have to prevent the disease entirely but that would be better than people dying or having more debilitating symptoms that require hospital visits. if the hospitals are going to be overwhelmed by covid patients should they start rationing care based on...what kind of criteria?

the only people who think that the current vaccines are the end all be all to this situation are mostly the people who want/expect/demand that things return to pre-pandemic times because they wanna go back to the way things were. they wanna go back to brunch and making the waitstaff do their bidding. things are never going back to pre-pandemic times.





imo, the antivax movement was going to get to this point eventually, but it's unfortunately it's playing out this way.

in just over 20 years, the anti-vax movement went from extreme fringe to near mainstream after andrew wakefield concocted a scheme to enrich himself by undermining the public health in the UK by releasing a fake study that tried to implicate vaccines for the increase in autism diagnoses.

the media did a piss poor job in the US to report on this accurately and the government didn't do a good job restoring confidence in vaccines (notably the UK media and govt did a good job reacting to AW scandal). but for the US, that's led to an distrust of vaccines...and the current situation has folded politics into it, forcing it to where it's at now.

Originally Posted by Atropine

One side is incapable of leaving the other side alone.

If the vaccine works so well...get it then and leave others alone.

you're posing this as if vaccines are the only answer. they're not. all of the antivax people are antimaskers too. there is no right to spread a very contagious disease.

[Atropine]

This is the closest thing to a response you are going to get.

I just don't have the energy to argue anymore.

We will see how this plays out.

[Lantanafrs2]

The Tuskegee experiment never happened. Our govt would never do something like that.

[Lantanafrs2]

Masks are about control whether they actually work or not.

[MyHybridBurnsGasAndTires]

Originally Posted by Atropine

This is the closest thing to a response you are going to get.

I just don't have the energy to argue anymore.

We will see how this plays out.

why reply? why did you even post today? just stop reading and posting in the thread if cant handle scrutiny of your opinions

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Masks are about control whether they actually work or not.

another dumb post by a man who definitely fried his brains with drugs

[Lantanafrs2]

How many "brains" do you have? How about buying a car before posting on a car forum?

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Masks are about control whether they actually work or not.

so is washing hands, holding doors for the next person, and answering the phone in a friendly tone...

[p1l0t]

I'm not wearing any socks.

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[TylerLieberman]

Gibraltar, with a nearly 100% fully vaccinated rate, has been seeing another increase in cases the past few days.

Pretty small population of like 30,000ish. Per capita case rate per 100k people right now I think comes out to around 1,200. Curious to see what other info comes regarding the recent surge.

[Lantanafrs2]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

Gibraltar, with a nearly 100% fully vaccinated rate, has been seeing another increase in cases the past few days.

Pretty small population of like 30,000ish. Per capita case rate per 100k people right now I think comes out to around 1,200. Curious to see what other info comes regarding the recent surge.

I think there needs to be a combination of vax and natural immunity to push back at this thing.

[Atropine]

Definitely man.

I am not anti-vax.

But to deny natural immunity is just bullshit.