09-05-2013, 08:20 PM | #1723 |
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On my way home tonight I started thinking about the location of this topic within the forced induction thread. The unit shares basic FI theory with the movement of air, it is not a turbo that requires intercooling or an ESC that drives a belt?
If the topic was developed in the intake section of the forum, would people (like myself) that purchased an intake (Injen, Perrin, aFe etc.) view the product differently? In essence should this be consider an intake, say a new air ram method on steroids? |
09-05-2013, 08:24 PM | #1724 | |
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This is forced induction albeit on a smaller scale. Still forced induction though. Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk 4 |
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I agree - I think a naysayer previously said 'this is not FI'. On the contrary this ESC seems very similar to centrifugal SC's (Vortech, Rotrex, etc.) and turbochargers. All centrifugal compressors, driven by either an electric motor, belt, or exhaust with wastegate. Boost characteristics are very much a function of their drive. Centrifugal compressors have an exponential-ish boost curve as compressor RPM increases. Turbochargers have some lag as it takes some time for the exhaust to spin the turbine up to a speed where significant boost is made. Centrifugal SC's don't have much low end at all because they are linearly driven by a belt and the compressor wheel doesn't produce significant boost until higher engine rpms. The ESC's compressor is driven by a nice torquey electric motor that's able to spin it up to operating speeds very quickly, providing lots of boost at much lower engine speeds compared to a centrifugal SC. It would be interesting to see the ESC paired up in series with something like a Vortech SC.
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There is a reason Industrial Designers don't price products for a company...and your post is that reason. I have held the position of General Manager for an aerospace manufacturing company where it was my responsibility to set pricing and profits. In pricing a product we look at cost factors of design and development and look at Return on Investment (ROI) as a period of time we expect to recover those costs. We also look at the company's direct Cost to Manufacture (CTM) that includes such items as direct labor, inventory, cost of implementing a quality management system and ERP systems. We need to understand the company's burden cost (fixed overhead costs that exist whether we produce one widget or one million widgets). We also need to include frictional and transaction costs. But at the end of the day, we need to evaluate our product against our competitions. We also have to understand how the market values our product against said competition. If we have developed a product that holds significant value, then our product price will reflect that value and we will price our product at the top of the market. And because that product is valued, customers will gladly pay our asking price. If a customer doesn't value your product, the only differentiator is price. In that type of market you would be lucky to get a 30% margin.
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09-05-2013, 10:18 PM | #1727 | |
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I am curious why your ETurbo doesn't run off of some sort of transformer/inverter, without the need for extra batteries. I am not an electrical engineer, but I have been into the R/C brushless for a long time helis, and cars). The technology has been around for years, its nice to see someone use it in new ways. I am really excited about this product, and wish you best of luck getting it to market. It will sell. I have been thinking of doing it myself, but I do not have the experience with the complicated electronics involved. Keep it up! I will get one for sure. Unichip and Ecutech tuners should definitely take note. I agree, this is absolutely FI. No if ands or buts about it. It is in the proper area of the forums. :happy0180: |
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Plus, if you (god forbid) pop a cell on one of your boost batts, you're not getting a tow, you're just suffering the torque dip. |
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Think of this analogy when the dyno charts are posted. |
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Indeed, especially when you compare the torque curves instead of just peak hp numbers - it looks like a curve from a 6 cylinder motor. Speaking of tune - I'm assuming the kit doesn't include any Ecutek or Brzedit license - somewhere between $199 and $600 depending on what you pick and if there are tunes available (Ecutek,Brzedit,OpenFlash,Unichip). Please correct me if I'm wrong Rob/Fenton/test crew.
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Guess i know who added that tag.
This was more of a fact finding mission. Dyno testing new and old compressors(posting everything). Generally just sharing all our experiences with this form of FI. |
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Not knocking the product, always been a supporter of this kit and the testers Without the testers there would be no mass production of this kit. I guess I'm just impatient and I'm not really getting anything from the last few weeks of discussion, which I've found to be pretty redundant and boring especially with all the TBD's being thrown around...
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