What little things you want to see

[Snaps]

Originally Posted by ryun84

Don't get me wrong. I've never owned an automatic and I don't think I ever will. I'm just saying that it would seem unlikely for Toyota to make this car available only with a manual transmission if they want to reach out to the broader market (not just the enthusiasts). Like I said, if they have multiple trims of the FT, then I would hope/expect the higher performance models to be solely manual (similar to Subaru's WRX and STI). By the way, the Challenger is not just offered in manual. The R/T and R/T+ are only available in 6-speed, but there are also 2 lower trim levels that are 5 speed automatic (once again, similar to Subaru's base Imprezas vs WRX/STI). All I'm saying is that I'd be surprised if Toyota pulled a Honda and made the FT-86 manual only like the S2000. Would I complain? Definitely not.

I honestly think this is a bad idea.

-What reason is there NOT to sell the top model with an auto? Unless they can't find, or develop one that can handle the power (VERY unlikely with an engine the size of the FT's). They're ALWAYS going to make more money offering both.
- What reason is there to cater to only the enthusiasts by offering a manual only? The enthusiasts are by FAR the smallest portion of the market. it just makes no sense.

As an example, and because I know Supra's inside and out - how many sales do you think they would have lost if they offered the TT's (RZ's) in manual only? Not only would they lose the sale of the TT to the buyers that ONLY wanted the auto, but those buyers would also NOT go to the N/A version over the TT because there are better options on the market.

[enc0re]

Since we are talking about the little things and manual transmissions: I'm hoping against all odds that Toyota will use a bottom hinged gas pedal. My current car is the first one I've owned that has one. It makes heel-and-toe downshifts ridiculously easy. So easy, I do it every time during normal driving now. Cause why not? It takes no thought or effort at all.

[ryun84]

Originally Posted by Snaps

I honestly think this is a bad idea.

-What reason is there NOT to sell the top model with an auto? Unless they can't find, or develop one that can handle the power (VERY unlikely with an engine the size of the FT's). They're ALWAYS going to make more money offering both.
- What reason is there to cater to only the enthusiasts by offering a manual only? The enthusiasts are by FAR the smallest portion of the market. it just makes no sense.

As an example, and because I know Supra's inside and out - how many sales do you think they would have lost if they offered the TT's (RZ's) in manual only? Not only would they lose the sale of the TT to the buyers that ONLY wanted the auto, but those buyers would also NOT go to the N/A version over the TT because there are better options on the market.

I only say that the highest performance trim should be manual for selfish reasons (elitism). LOL! I understand that there would be customers lost if this were the case. But I also mentioned that there are manufacturers that have gone this route. I think the thing that they all have in common is that the car in question is usually the flagship model (for performance) and the most expensive. Honda's S2000 and Subaru's WRX STI. I would be interested to know how many potential shoppers for the STI went to the EVO X for the sake of auto (probably other more important factors in swaying their purchase choice). In the end, I only want for the FT-86 to succeed so if that means to have automatic transmissions available in all trims and models, then so be it. But, like I said, it would be nice to know that a fellow driver of a specific trim is driving manual and shares your enthusiast's/performance interests.

[1GoZoom]

Originally Posted by ryun84

I only say that the highest performance trim should be manual for selfish reasons (elitism). LOL! I understand that there would be customers lost if this were the case. But I also mentioned that there are manufacturers that have gone this route. I think the thing that they all have in common is that the car in question is usually the flagship model (for performance) and the most expensive. Honda's S2000 and Subaru's WRX STI. I would be interested to know how many potential shoppers for the STI went to the EVO X for the sake of auto (probably other more important factors in swaying their purchase choice). In the end, I only want for the FT-86 to succeed so if that means to have automatic transmissions available in all trims and models, then so be it. But, like I said, it would be nice to know that a fellow driver of a specific trim is driving manual and shares your enthusiast's/performance interests.

THIS. Well said dude. Its somewhat the same with the Cobalt SS crew. The iriginal intent was anyone with the wide open grill had forced induction,t hen Chevy went and made the 2.4L "SS-NA" (my old car's motor) and gave it that same design. That car is more often sold to chicks in autos who want sporty without the insurance premium. It also was an auto and manual (Getrag F23) trim where as the SSSC and SSTC both were 5-speed Saab F35 manual only. Drives the elitists nuts. Idc cuz its just my beater atm since it has almost no clutch left and I am driving it til the broken transmission input shaft shreds the flywheel and clutch totally. Then its time to fix and sell.

[iff2mastamatt]

Originally Posted by ryun84

I only say that the highest performance trim should be manual for selfish reasons (elitism). LOL! I understand that there would be customers lost if this were the case. But I also mentioned that there are manufacturers that have gone this route. I think the thing that they all have in common is that the car in question is usually the flagship model (for performance) and the most expensive. Honda's S2000 and Subaru's WRX STI. I would be interested to know how many potential shoppers for the STI went to the EVO X for the sake of auto (probably other more important factors in swaying their purchase choice). In the end, I only want for the FT-86 to succeed so if that means to have automatic transmissions available in all trims and models, then so be it. But, like I said, it would be nice to know that a fellow driver of a specific trim is driving manual and shares your enthusiast's/performance interests.

I think this would work well only if it was like the differentiation between the 370Z and the Nismo 370Z. The 370Z has the base, sport, & touring versions but the Nismo is a completely different class for enthusiasts.

[NESW20]

Originally Posted by 1GoZoom

... it til the broken transmission input shaft shreds the flywheel and clutch totally. Then its time to fix and sell.

uh, what? haha, if the input shaft was broken, it wouldn't be drivable.

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by enc0re

Since we are talking about the little things and manual transmissions: I'm hoping against all odds that Toyota will use a bottom hinged gas pedal. My current car is the first one I've owned that has one. It makes heel-and-toe downshifts ridiculously easy. So easy, I do it every time during normal driving now. Cause why not? It takes no thought or effort at all.

I still need to learn how to do it properly. D:!!

[Snaps]

Originally Posted by iff2mastamatt

I think this would work well only if it was like the differentiation between the 370Z and the Nismo 370Z. The 370Z has the base, sport, & touring versions but the Nismo is a completely different class for enthusiasts.

This.

The only version that should be manual-only is the G's version, IMO

[1GoZoom]

Originally Posted by NESW20

uh, what? haha, if the input shaft was broken, it wouldn't be drivable.

Its nearly gone. Its not "broken" as in shattered in mutiple pieces. Its worn down and warping the flywheel. That is in turn causing uneven clamping of the clutch plate and all those fun parts. I've put 53k miles on it in a year, so its had a hard life. That was to be expected. I think the issue is technically the input shaft bearing, but I know enough to be dangerous. My mechanic buddy tells me what's wrong and lets me hold parts. I'm getting more knowledgeable by the day, but don't have the tools or workspace to do anything myself atm.

[Archer256]

Don't hurt me but....99% sure this will be given paddle shifters, at least as an option if nothing else

[C-Bone]

Originally Posted by Archer256

Don't hurt me but....99% sure this will be given paddle shifters, at least as an option if nothing else

NOOOO!! LIES!! I'll show you paddle shifters... JK, but really, hope not. though i guess it is nice on gt5 with the DF:GT wheel

[NESW20]

as an option, sure. they're not going to release it as ONLY a paddle-shift gearbox. it will come standard with a standard H-pattern manual transmission and 3 pedals.

[Want.FR-S]

Originally Posted by enc0re

Since we are talking about the little things and manual transmissions: I'm hoping against all odds that Toyota will use a bottom hinged gas pedal. My current car is the first one I've owned that has one. It makes heel-and-toe downshifts ridiculously easy. So easy, I do it every time during normal driving now. Cause why not? It takes no thought or effort at all.

I have seen this comment before: I do heel-n-toe on daily driving. I am curious how and when you will use this technique on daily driving, unless you are street racing all the time.

Can you give me some example when you really need to heel-n-toe to down shift? Wouldn't it make sense just hold the clutch and shift to the correct gear when slowing down?

[Archer256]

not necessarily, lets face it. Stick is dead/dying few more years and you either have auto/sport shift or only paddles. I wouldnt be surprised if Toyota offers Paddles only as an option.

btw can you have 3 pedals w/ shifters? (sorry if thats a noob question)