Production Subaru BRZ Revealed! (Press Release + Photos)

[YeloFva]

Thanx Diderm for the BRZ/GT86 side by side pic. The GT86 gets my vote on the looks department. But then we have the aftermarket to help the BRZ with it's ugly mug.

[JustAnotherNumber]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

You have 8 post here. We have had this discussion nearly about a month or so ago. Search for the videos regarding the design philosophy behind this car. If you go through them, you would realize that the first reports about the motor being setup to be easily swapped for the EJ were accurate. You want more power, then swap the EJ in. You want more power I'm sure there will be F/I options available.

Lastly, you were thinking it should come with more power....how much more $ are you wanting to pay above the mid $20k price tag to get that power?

I don't need to drive the car to know what a "drivers" car is suppose to feel like. This car is a momentum car. I've been in momentum cars. I had to drive with momentum when I didn't have a turbo, it teaches you a LOT about car control when you have to be fast based on skill rather than power. Now I have momentum and power so 3 times better...

I've been lurking the forum since around the time it was created. I decided to post back in March of 2011 (A few months after you joined) regarding the concept cars. I've stated this in my other posts as well, but I do not want to FI a car that wasn't meant for it.

I absolutely love this car, but I just want a little more power from the factory. I might consider swapping an EJ, but I don't know how/if that'll impact handling.

I would easily pay 30-40k for an approx. 300hp version. I'm actually cross shopping a Mustang GT, 370z, and this car for purchase here in the next year or so. Yes, I know that's quite a difference in vehicles, but I have never owned a car and am not sure what i'm looking for. It's going to come down to the test drive.

So, perhaps some others are in the same boat as me. I have no prior experience of a drivers, sports, muscle, or any other type of car. I drive a truck. However, I would like to get something that is sporty and fun. The question is who gets my money.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Since when has there been a separation of crowd? The whole forum is called ft86club. It's not the same as having a completely separate website for BRZ and then having FRS owners come over to the BRZ forum and talk about how the SAME car looks better under Toyota.

That would be foolish, but this is different...we are all discovering the car(s) together, and weighing in on which one looks better, cause looks is the only thing we can differentiate right now.

Agreed.

Post release IMO the FR-S and BRZ forums should be one "General 86 Discussion" then have the normal subforums (performance, technical/diy, suspension, brakes, racing/autocross, drifting, etc)

[Dragonitti]

^^That's fine, but again Justanothernumber....how much more $ are you willing to pay?

I'll take a low powered from the factory and go aftermarket for power over a factory powered vehicle. I don't care about warranties and Aftermarket $-to-power ratio is leaps and bounds over Factory $-to-power ratio.

[JustAnotherNumber]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

^^That's fine, but again Justanothernumber....how much more $ are you willing to pay?

I'll take a low powered from the factory and go aftermarket for power over a factory powered vehicle. I don't care about warranties and Aftermarket $-to-power ratio is leaps and bounds over Factory $-to-power ratio.

30-40k. I'm not concerned with staying in the 20-25k range. If I can get something that cheap, great, but otherwise I will go up in price to get what I want.

Being a brand new vehicle, I am a little more concerned with keeping my warranties, at least initially. Maybe in the future if I see a lot of successful and reliable aftermarket changes, i'll go that route.

[Nostalgia1987]

Originally Posted by deejaytnk

The good ol' days of honda tuning back in the 90s were legendary, but is not epic. After the 1999 Civic SI and birth of the S2000, Honda became a last option for tuning. Swapping Type-R B series motors into DX hatches was a fun trend to follow. Price were decent for parts and so on. Then design ugliness started to grow in the 7th gen of civic, then that became contagious throughout the Honda lines, and presently into the Acura line. The worse thing Honda has done to their cars is that all cars for the enthusiast are still FWD, no more s2000 RWD, and the cost is what you can get a used 2005 STI for. For instance A brand new 2011 civic SI is worth as much as a base model 2011 WRX. What would you choose, turbo, wide body flares, AWD or FWD, barely 200 WHP, weak suspension for around $25K.

Agree there on many levels.

7th Gen Civic onwards (2001), pretty much around the same time Subaru decided to follow a similar progressive trend, end of the 20th century marked a turning point for many Japanese manufacturers.

Originally Posted by deejaytnk

So please don't create a civil grudge for a beautiful genre/family Subaru and Toyota has created. BRZ or FRS, they are one in the same even though they don't have enough great differences to make each one unique. If there is any hate, hate other car companies that cannot provide a well equipped and fun car to drive that is probably be under $25K.

GIVE ME YOUR INPUT! =)

Really good that you pointed this out, i hope other forum members read this.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

Wow, this is really sad that Subaru chose not to make their version any different except the front bumper. Even the wheels are the same! This sort of sloppy badge engineering is what got Chrysler and GM in so much hot water decades ago. I'm really disappointed.

The front bumper is different
Headlights are different
The taillights are a little different
The wheels are different
The BRZ does not have the 86 on it.
The Front and Rear emblems are different
The Wheel size maybe different (some specs are showing the 86 with staggered 18 inch, could be only on the highspec trim)
The weight is a little bit different...86 is at 2601 pounds...

But the cars are going to sound and drive about the same...

[goopi]

I hope the white actually looks that good in person, also, it needs to be lower!

[Dragonitti]

Originally Posted by JustAnotherNumber

30-40k. I'm not concerned with staying in the 20-25k range. If I can get something that cheap, great, but otherwise I will go up in price to get what I want.

Being a brand new vehicle, I am a little more concerned with keeping my warranties, at least initially. Maybe in the future if I see a lot of successful and reliable aftermarket changes, i'll go that route.

Ok, but this car is not designed to be at $30-40k. You would be better suited to looking at the Mustang GT and 370z. This cars competition is to the likes of a Miata and similar.

This car is like rebirthing the 240sx.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

0-60 times are suppose to be in the flat 6 sec range, not mid 6 to high 7. Keep in mind that probably has a lot to do with the Prius Econo tires it runs on.

If your concern is straight line performance, then again as it's already been stated before to people....this car is not for you. If you live where there are not a lot of twisties...why would you buy a car made for it...

So what you are saying is the FRS looks fast. That's fine. I don't have a problem looking fast, because it's body lines are designed to cut through the air. Cause there will always been a means to make more power. I drove around N/A for 2yrs in the same way my tC looks right now. I was quick at the track though for the power I was making. So, the FRS/BRZ will be like my tC in N/A form. I didn't bother with street races, cause the track is where she lets her hair down (that's changed now obviously since I have a turbo, so quick on corners and straight away now).







Well yea, we all think the noobs are retarded...lol. I must have missed the caps war.

Toyota said 0 to 62 MPH in 6.0 secs on the Toyota 86...

That's fast enough.

But we will have to do independent testing to find out if that is true...

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by tripjammer

The front bumper is different
The taillights are a little different
The wheels are different
The BRZ does not have the 86 on it.
The emblems are different
The Wheel size is different
The weight is a little bit different

Bumper: Yes

Taillights: No. The Scion will have the same as I've already pointed out. The ones on the GT86/86 are NOT US DOT legal. The BRZ ones are the US taillights. Both cars will have them.

Wheels: Those wheels have been seen on both. There are multiple options, but those wheels are in Toyotas books as well, so they'll either be available on both or standard on both high spec cars. Until US spec is released we won't know for sure.

Emblems: Of course. Steering wheels, wheels, front, back and side panels. All of that is expected. I suspect GT86/86 side panels will be a very popular change. I think they look nice and think the subaru ones look like cheap shit..

Wheel size: See the wheels comment. Both are likely to have non staggered 17s with 215/45/17 tires. The 18s are an option (and there are at least two 18" options).

Weight: GT86/86 minimum weight is likely the base/low spec. The Subaru may be the high spec. Without any real details/specs it's impossible to say, however, if you equip them the same, the weight difference will come down to whatever the differences in the bumper and side plaque panel weights are.

[tripjammer]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

Ok, but this car is not designed to be at $30-40k. You would be better suited to looking at the Mustang GT and 370z. This cars competition is to the likes of a Miata and similar.

This car is like rebirthing the 240sx.

Yeah the 240sx and AE86 did not have monster power...Nissan better bring it back...they got a killer ass engine...the 1.6 liter DI turbo 4 in the Juke..

200HP and 2601+ pound weight is light and good.

0 to 60 in the upper 5 to low 6 secs is good.

Handling as good or better than a Porsche Cayman....priceless!

[ydooby]

Can anyone tell why the BRZ is 40kg heavier than the GT 86? Both are announced with identical 17" wheels so does this mean the BRZ comes with 40kg worth of standard equipment that are optional on the GT 86? If so, what could they be?

[Zaku]

No mention of snow mode just an S or an M mode and were not sure about the 40kg maybe someone can clarify, Brz should reveal in about 4 hours if my subaru source are on point.