Do you think FT-86 will have automatic?

[OldSkoolToys]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Then it'd really be a hair dressers car.

The hell . I'm not into autos, but seriously, being able to drive a stick is nothing special, at least in the rest of the world. No need to be snobbish about it. The are people who live in big cities there the traffic sucks really, really bad and a manual is a complete PITA during the work week. Why shouldn't the y have the same power so they can enjoy the car in the country side on the weekend?

Because putting 'enjoy the car' in any statement about automatic transmissions is an oxymoron?

Car's gonna be too big of a deal to not have an automatic transmission. Thats the fact of it all. If people don't like it, get over it, its happening.

All it means is that you better learn how to swap transmissions 15 years down the road when you want to buy a few 1st model FT's to beat up and have fun at local track events, etc. Cause more than likely, its gonna look like this.

2012 Toyota FT, 2xx,xxx miles, auto

that'll be the truth of about 20 of the 23 cars that popped up.

[Jordo!]

Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Then it'd really be a hair dressers car.

The hell . I'm not into autos, but seriously, being able to drive a stick is nothing special, at least in the rest of the world. No need to be snobbish about it. The are people who live in big cities there the traffic sucks really, really bad and a manual is a complete PITA during the work week. Why shouldn't the y have the same power so they can enjoy the car in the country side on the weekend?

Well said.

Frankly, I'd be overjoyed if they offered this with a well sorted DSG. The better ones shift faster than any pro operating a standard manual.

That said, a decently geared slushbox, particualrly with a tiptronic set up, can work very well, especially with a turbo.

[CyberFormula]

Originally Posted by Jordo!

Well said.

Frankly, I'd be overjoyed if they offered this with a well sorted DSG. The better ones shift faster than any pro operating a standard manual.

That said, a decently geared slushbox, particualrly with a tiptronic set up, can work very well, especially with a turbo.

Have you been an owner of a DCT transmission?

I have.

Its a pain in the butt. IFF you don't plan on working on the transmission yourself it will be F-ing expensive. Even then for DCT fluid and working on it yourself it is expensive. and even more expensive when the gears break (this hasn't happened yet)

I truly can't wait to get rid of this car ....but FT-86 won't be out until another 1.5 years? God help me

[RegisBou]

If you like DSG type stuff i recommend looking up SST transmissions.

Built in germany, used in the mitsubishi evo X. You have some leeway with the gears in terms of ratio's etc, and computer interaction as well. VERY tunable transmissions. Clutches, flywheel's, etc...

This is a very similar transmission to that of the GT-R (R35) and is considered superior to PDK (Porsche).

So while we wont get that transmission I would say if that's the transmission you want look up the new evo. That or hope that they use a lexus 6-speed auto for the FT-86.

Most logical thing...in terms of toyota performance transmissions.

They could go all out and use something very similar to the ISF tranny. I mean they already make it...it could not add THAT much more value to the car. Maybe weight (100lbs more) but for those that appreciate these new types of transmissions while not as "fun/pure" they are "better".

Even though i would get the 6mt regardless because of financial issues I would still greatly appreciate an advanced dual clutch system BY toyota IN a toyota.

6mt add $0
7at add $2500

something like that..?

[Eikichi]

I drive a dual clutch evolution x and honestly I don't miss the the manual transmission. if toyota offers this car with the same kind of trans as the x, I'll be buying an auto ft-86.

But if they don't Ill get a stick again.

[Matador]

Originally Posted by CyberFormula

Have you been an owner of a DCT transmission?

I have.

Its a pain in the butt. IFF you don't plan on working on the transmission yourself it will be F-ing expensive. Even then for DCT fluid and working on it yourself it is expensive. and even more expensive when the gears break (this hasn't happened yet)

I truly can't wait to get rid of this car ....but FT-86 won't be out until another 1.5 years? God help me

Not always going to be expensive. It's new technology, that is to be expected. That being said, a vast improved version of the SMT that came in the MR-S would be a better option than a straight Auto. That or maybe Toyota might look into that new DCT that Lotus is developing (simpler, lighter, robust). As Regis mentioned an IS-F type converter lockup system would be cool if there were no other alternative.

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

Because putting 'enjoy the car' in any statement about automatic transmissions is an oxymoron?

Car's gonna be too big of a deal to not have an automatic transmission. Thats the fact of it all. If people don't like it, get over it, its happening.

All it means is that you better learn how to swap transmissions 15 years down the road when you want to buy a few 1st model FT's to beat up and have fun at local track events, etc. Cause more than likely, its gonna look like this.

2012 Toyota FT, 2xx,xxx miles, auto

that'll be the truth of about 20 of the 23 cars that popped up.

Ain't that the truth?

[CyberFormula]

not always going to be expensive, but considering the car i'm driving that has a DSG transmission is one of the first type of cars with DCT transmission....

how long do you think it will be till it is cheaper?
Cause I'm paying alot for fluids, and putting my own time into doing the work myself. Saves me $500-1000 for service

[typhoon]

Originally Posted by TRD

I know FT-86 get 6speed but what about automatic?
It'll be nice what do u guys thinks?

no i don't believe it should come in automatic, because of the the that i will cost a whole lot just to get it fix and all. a perfect example is mitsubishi and their evos' before the evo 10. they never made them automatic because it will just be too much work to fix and it wouldn't run this same way as a stick shift. the power will not match the way it should be, and you'd never feel the how fast the car would ever go.

[Lexicon101]

Originally Posted by typhoon

no i don't believe it should come in automatic, because of the the that i will cost a whole lot just to get it fix and all. a perfect example is mitsubishi and their evos' before the evo 10. they never made them automatic because it will just be too much work to fix and it wouldn't run this same way as a stick shift. the power will not match the way it should be, and you'd never feel the how fast the car would ever go.

Yeah, yeah.
That's what they all say.

[Axel]

I endorse the following message Manual for me, please!

Stop this twin-clutch madness now

John McIlroy
Autocar

I stole Autocar’s current Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X last night, keen to see how a performance icon has managed the transfer to a completely new model after, well, increasingly frayed incarnations from VII to IX.



Did I enjoy it? Yes and no. Many of the traditional Evo strengths are still present: incredible turn-in, great balance and traction, the constant belief that the transmission is one step (slip?) ahead of you. Oh yes, and the fact that there’s no torque whatsoever beneath 2000rpm (well, I still find it charming, anyway). And it’s quick, of course; once the whoosh sets in you get a terrific prod in your kidneys.


But (didn’t you know there was a ‘but’ coming?) at the heart of the latest Evo is the Twin Clutch SST gearbox, yet another take on the ‘semi-auto’ theme with steering wheel-mounted paddles and a press release boasting of previously unimaginable shift times. The irony of this is not lost on me, because a few years ago, Mitsubishi released an automatic version of the Evo VII. And we laughed.

Now, though, it seems that a more sophisticated slusher is the centrepiece of the model. So can I make a plea? Manufacturers (yes, that means you, Mitsubishi, Audi and Ford), can we establish once and for all that DSG/Speedshift/SST gearboxes – twin-clutchers – are not as rewarding to use as a stick? I drove the Evo for a good couple of hours and only once, once, did I really feel involved in what was going on.

The rest of the journey was spent either in the wrong ‘gear’ or waiting while the SST gearbox appeared to ride not one clutch, but two.



There is hope, of course; Mitsubishi has said that in preparation for the car’s use in rallying (the sport that spawned it in the first place, after all) a five-speed manual Evo X will be made available. In the meantime, I’d like a VI Tommi Mäkinen Edition, please, with Ralliart sidestripes, white wheels and a proper stick between the front two seats. In my view it’s never been bettered.

[Axel]

Originally Posted by Eikichi

I drive a dual clutch evolution x and honestly I don't miss the the manual transmission. if toyota offers this car with the same kind of trans as the x, I'll be buying an auto ft-86.

But if they don't Ill get a stick again.

I endorse the following message Manual for me, please!

Stop this twin-clutch madness now

John McIlroy
Autocar

I stole Autocar’s current Mitsubishi Lancer Evo X last night, keen to see how a performance icon has managed the transfer to a completely new model after, well, increasingly frayed incarnations from VII to IX.



Did I enjoy it? Yes and no. Many of the traditional Evo strengths are still present: incredible turn-in, great balance and traction, the constant belief that the transmission is one step (slip?) ahead of you. Oh yes, and the fact that there’s no torque whatsoever beneath 2000rpm (well, I still find it charming, anyway). And it’s quick, of course; once the whoosh sets in you get a terrific prod in your kidneys.


But (didn’t you know there was a ‘but’ coming?) at the heart of the latest Evo is the Twin Clutch SST gearbox, yet another take on the ‘semi-auto’ theme with steering wheel-mounted paddles and a press release boasting of previously unimaginable shift times. The irony of this is not lost on me, because a few years ago, Mitsubishi released an automatic version of the Evo VII. And we laughed.

Now, though, it seems that a more sophisticated slusher is the centrepiece of the model. So can I make a plea? Manufacturers (yes, that means you, Mitsubishi, Audi and Ford), can we establish once and for all that DSG/Speedshift/SST gearboxes – twin-clutchers – are not as rewarding to use as a stick? I drove the Evo for a good couple of hours and only once, once, did I really feel involved in what was going on.

The rest of the journey was spent either in the wrong ‘gear’ or waiting while the SST gearbox appeared to ride not one clutch, but two.



There is hope, of course; Mitsubishi has said that in preparation for the car’s use in rallying (the sport that spawned it in the first place, after all) a five-speed manual Evo X will be made available. In the meantime, I’d like a VI Tommi Mäkinen Edition, please, with Ralliart sidestripes, white wheels and a proper stick between the front two seats. In my view it’s never been bettered.

[Lexicon101]

Originally Posted by OldSkoolToys

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Oh, I didn't even notice this until just now.
XD
You thought I was srsly?
'sif.

[Slide]

who cares if they release an auto we still can get all the other parts from it when they crash... like an LSD and body parts.

[Abflug]

great opinion!