Stunt driving in Ontario crackdown

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Must work different in Canada. In the states where I live, the ticket has your initial court date on it. There is no waiting. You can postpone it by calling but they always give you a new date and in most places you can only do it once.

Yep. Completely different.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Actually, I sped up to make the light to get on to the highway, so was never stopped at the light. I rounded the corner then as soon as the corner was completed I mashed the throttle and took off down the highway. Only a car with LSD can really do this without activating traction control/throttle cutout and I was almost tempted to say to the policeman, "Lucky I've got a limited slip differential", but decided under the circumstances better to hear what his complaint is.
This did not cause huge wheel spin as the HKS blower produces max torque at high revs, but the car likely wagged ever so slightly as it took off since that highway often has sand and gravel scattered on it.
Incidentally, the LSD kicking is is the OPPOSITE of losing traction.

I don't understand this part.

[2020BRZtS]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Canadian cops don't tend to move around a whole lot and if he still works for any department he will be expected to appear (with a few exceptions in which case, with court approval, he can submit a written statement instead).
As I have said over and over and is written in black and white the time "limit" for Provincial Court cases is usually18 months. This of course has been extended due to COVID and could take a few years to be heard. Yes a judge could say it is too long and throw it out but that is not likely with the current backlog. Counting on it being thrown out because out was not "speedy" is just not realistic in the current state of the system even though if it was me I would certainly ask for that when the time came.

The thing with this whole case is that if or when it does go to court, based solely ippon his narrative of events in the first post, he would probably get off anyway. The whole thing about the stunt racing category is that they have to prove "intent". It is easy to prove that somebody doing 50 over the speed limit, smoking up the tires, doing doughnuts in the road, weaving in and out of traffic at speed, etc intended those actions. Not so easy to prove that somebody slipping a wheel until traction control came on was intended. At very least he could get the charge dropped to something less serious.
Now.... of course the cop may have a completely different version of events but we will never know that side of the story.

I was thinking along the lines that any penalty that could result from this incident the time has passed. Say he is guilty and loses his license for 12 months. The calendar shows that 12 months has elapsed and it would have been reinstated by now anyway. It seems that while the officer may have been looking to put screws to the wall on that particular day OP is not a habitual offender and is hardly worth pursuing. Unless insurance rates are affected until he is cleared or three years passes, I was just thinking this is a non-event at this point.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

I don't understand this part.

Most cars cannot maintain traction if cornering and immediately accelerating hard out of the corner with an open rear diff. From my experience that would cause wheel spin whereeas an LSD transfers power to the wheel with the best traction, so the tail might wag slightly but you are never mired in wheelspin. I think when I took off down the road the yellow traction light must have flashed for like .5 seconds from gear 2-3 and probably 3 to 4 possibly due to sand on the road. The 9"w rears and Pilot Sport tires rarely break traction from launch. Probably a good thing the HKS blower produces torque high up in the Rev band, wouldn't want to break the axle or drive shaft. These cars don't have super high tolerances from the factory. Im contrast an STI OEM transmission can hold 500 HP.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by 2020BRZtS

I was thinking along the lines that any penalty that could result from this incident the time has passed. Say he is guilty and loses his license for 12 months. The calendar shows that 12 months has elapsed and it would have been reinstated by now anyway. It seems that while the officer may have been looking to put screws to the wall on that particular day OP is not a habitual offender and is hardly worth pursuing. Unless insurance rates are affected until he is cleared or three years passes, I was just thinking this is a non-event at this point.

The penalty would occur at time if sentencing not from date of offence.
Whether to proceed is the courts call not the ticketing officer. They may very well decide to just drop it but at this point it is still an open case before the court. It needs to be closed somehow it doesn’t just disappear because time has gone by.
The whole thing boils down to our personal opinions of how quickly it should be resolved and the real world legality don’t match up.
Could be a while before they get to it and they have the legal backing for the delay.
Again, we have no idea what the cops version of the story is so they may still be looking to try and throw the book at him but just haven’t got down the list yet.
On the brighter side at least he isn’t sitting in jail waiting like some people have been!

[RToyo86]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Must work different in Canada. In the states where I live, the ticket has your initial court date on it. There is no waiting. You can postpone it by calling but they always give you a new date and in most places you can only do it once.

I was given a date roughly a year from the ticket, then covid delays. At one point they contacted me to do a remote court sitting and I declined. That was probably close to 2 years ago.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The penalty would occur at time if sentencing not from date of offence.
Whether to proceed is the courts call not the ticketing officer. They may very well decide to just drop it but at this point it is still an open case before the court. It needs to be closed somehow it doesn’t just disappear because time has gone by.
The whole thing boils down to our personal opinions of how quickly it should be resolved and the real world legality don’t match up.
Could be a while before they get to it and they have the legal backing for the delay.
Again, we have no idea what the cops version of the story is so they may still be looking to try and throw the book at him but just haven’t got down the list yet.
On the brighter side at least he isn’t sitting in jail waiting like some people have been!

What legal backing do they have for the delay?

[soundman98]

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

What legal backing do they have for the delay?

Really?

[wbradley]

Perhaps there will still be considered some "reasonable time limit" despite Covid.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Perhaps there will still be considered some "reasonable time limit" despite Covid.

Oh eventually they will either get back on track or just give up and dismiss it. Everything I read says that right now you can add about 2 years to the 18 month limit so each month that passes without you getting a summons puts you that much closer. You could probably push it with them but why bring it to the surface? Sucks that it is getting dragged out but at least a timed dismissal is more of a sure thing as opposed to actually going to court and hoping a judge sides with you.

[Tokay444]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Really?

Yes really. If your justification is Covid, yet you stand back idly and watch your pm continue to jet-set around the world maskless, to socially gather with movie stars, take selfies in “war torn” Ukraine with his beard Sophie and kids, ride maskless on trains when everyone else is still required to wear the face diaper, then I’m not sure you’ll ever wake up.

[bcj]

Ooooh! Behind you!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Tokay444

Yes really. If your justification is Covid, yet you stand back idly and watch your pm continue to jet-set around the world maskless, to socially gather with movie stars, take selfies in “war torn” Ukraine with his beard Sophie and kids, ride maskless on trains when everyone else is still required to wear the face diaper, then I’m not sure you’ll ever wake up.

Ahhh there it is.
Doesn't matter what any individual is doing. The past two years have backed up the courts. This is a fact not a conspiracy theory.



And what is up with the quotation marks around war torn? You think that is fake as well?