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Arthur-A · 06-16-2023, 02:04 PM

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I have a feeling that oem engineers may know more than a YouTube content creator

It's called "Engineering Explained", bro. Gotta trust him, bro.

Dadhawk · 06-16-2023, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Arthur-A

"eVs ArE gOoD fOr ThE eNvIrOnMeNt"

Has nothing to do with EVs other than some of the vehicles happen to be EVs but thanks for playing.

wbradley · 06-17-2023, 06:46 AM

The gratuitous use of alternating capital letters seems to be a favourite tool of online trolls everywhere. It's supposed to indicate extreme sarcasm. It's annoying.

Maybe one day we'll all be driving on Ammonia Avenue.

soundman98 · 06-17-2023, 08:58 AM

i really think hydrogens time has passed for the moment, unless there's something discovered that either makes it safer/easier to produce, or we discover something about lithium that makes it go the way of asbestos.

we know how to make hydrogen, we know how to transport it. for the large part, most of that has remained unchanged. and the production, storage, and transport needs are what kicks it off the table when compared to lithium power storage techniques.

Lantanafrs2 · 06-17-2023, 04:19 PM

Looks to me like Toyota was pressured by the woke mob to change its stance on its ev timetable. It's become a religion. Companies who don't play along have their share price leaned on. Esg over practicality and profitability

soundman98 · 06-17-2023, 05:12 PM

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Looks to me like Toyota was pressured by the woke mob to change its stance on its ev timetable. It's become a religion. Companies who don't play along have their share price leaned on. Esg over practicality and profitability

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Irace86.2.0 · 06-17-2023, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Arthur-A

"eVs ArE gOoD fOr ThE eNvIrOnMeNt"
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This is fairly normal capitalism for everyone to race to bring to market new technology or new trends. Like Dadhawk said, this really has nothing to do with EVs. It could be applied to autonomous technology, which is associated more with EVs and Tesla, but ride sharing isn’t new; in its popular form it is called car rentals and taxi services like Uber, which are fairly mature markets.

I know you are against EVs, but the environment aside, what do you suggest is the alternative to us running out of oil in several decades?

Irace86.2.0 · 06-17-2023, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Looks to me like Toyota was pressured by the woke mob to change its stance on its ev timetable. It's become a religion. Companies who don't play along have their share price leaned on. Esg over practicality and profitability

The woke mob are rich investors? Stock is up 5%. I’m sure that isn’t from BLM or those college hippies or people with alternative pronouns… your woke mob references.

Same question, what do you think we should do about running out of oil in several decades?

Lantanafrs2 · 06-17-2023, 05:46 PM

It'll take a lot longer than that to run out of oil. I worked for an oil exploration subsidiary.

ZDan · 06-17-2023, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

Looks to me like Toyota was pressured by the woke mob to change its stance on its ev timetable.

Irace86.2.0 · 06-17-2023, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2

It'll take a lot longer than that to run out of oil. I worked for an oil exploration subsidiary.

If we move to electric and have more fuel efficient vehicles than the timeline gets stretched, as demand drops. We can’t extract all the oil because of physics and cost balloons to extract it, so that is a factor. As it gets more expensive, the economy will naturally shift to renewables, so demand drops and delays the inevitable point of “running out” of oil. My point is, given the reality that we will never actually run out of oil, but rather, production costs will eclipse profitability, what is your timeline for the world getting to that point? If demand neither increases or decreases, when would we run out?

Proven reserves based on a flat demand curve put us out to 47 years, but obviously we would see prices spiking before then, so in some ways, the goals to switch to renewables/EVs seem even more necessary and dire. Production will peak before the end, so maybe 30 years. What timeline are you thinking?

https://www.worldometers.info/oil/

Lantanafrs2 · 06-18-2023, 05:26 AM

That's Wikipedia Google search bullshit. All slanted to push us towards renewables. Plus, oil is used in plastics and the furrys need their cat boxes.

ZDan · 06-18-2023, 06:58 AM

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That's Wikipedia Google search bullshit. All slanted to push us towards renewables. Plus, oil is used in plastics and the furrys need their cat boxes.

OK Boomer, show us on the doll where the "woke mob" and furries hurt you

Lantanafrs2 · 06-18-2023, 07:00 AM

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OK Boomer, show us on the doll where the "woke mob" and furries hurt you

From providence? No wonder

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