SCCA Solo C Street Discussion

[jdrxb9]

Originally Posted by Biggins

... If he's within 0.9 of Chris, that's probably good enough to trophy at a National event.

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

Really? ...

No offense to Chris, but I'd put us about on par and 1.6% off our typical performances would be very unlikely to nab a trophy at a national event.

To Laloosh - sorry, but I agree with Dylan/et.al. that you might be surprised how much more quickly your car could do that course. Judging by your general lack of wheel inputs, it does not look like you have both ends of the car continuously balanced at the traction limit. It reminds me a lot of the video comparison I was able to do a while back with Sam Strano - see the videos in the post here.

r,
John

PS: Good luck to everyone headed out to Lincoln! After supporting RT for a couple years, it feels a bit odd to miss the first year of 'jacket' street, but seeing all the CS entries is cool and I'll be following the results closely.

[AustinTX]

<---- Also does not use data. Hollis is a huge proponent of data, and he used it constantly while I codrove with him several years back. I ignored it, and I did okay

http://www.scca.com/news/index.cfm?cid=45261

[vroom4]

Us engineering type need the data to convince ourselves we are doing stuff right...or as 'right' as you can get in autocross.

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by AustinTX

My opinion, if you have to ask what fast is, you don't know yet. I have issues when internet heroes start pushing their opinions of a single part of a thing upon others, but they are not necessarily all that knowledgeable about the thing yet. Not saying you fit in this description, but in this case let your driving do the talking first. See you at nats soon?

your opinion ignores the science behind knowledge acquisition and skill development


which has nothing to do with being fast or slow, only with incremental and measurable improvement


do not confuse this with raw experience (repetition) and natural aptitude.

You should be thankful that you have both, but that is a moot point.



You say you have issues with people pushing a single idea? Yet you're sitting on the other side working heavily to discredit it. How is that any different?


You discard data but suggest people go for ride alongs. That too is data, just of a different kind. Visual learners vs textual learners. Each person needs their own approach.


I am not disagreeing that there is always more than one way to learning, but at the very least an attempt must be made to try them all.



I won't be at nats, i already did a 4000km road trip this year and my brownie point balance is low.


I expect to make the trek in 2015 though, so i'll shake your hand eventually.


until then... SCIENCE!

[Sccabrz192]

I can appreciate your opinion but data is only as good as the tool used and the operators understanding of the variables, the inherent error(s), and their ability to interpret it effectively. Without an extensive background, you might as well be telling them to speak Latin.

[vroom4]

Originally Posted by Sccabrz192

I can appreciate your opinion

Dont lie.

[vroom4]

In other news, Ive switched from the strano bar to the adjustable hotchkis. On the one hard/one soft setting on the hotckis it feels identical to the strano. I switched to the hotchkis to go a little softer than strano, so I will run it at full soft.

I think this will be a great fit for me since I overdrive corner entries quite often.

[7thgear]

I'm loving how you people keep referring to this as an opinion of mine...

I didn't make any of this stuff up you know

[vroom4]

YOU PEOPLE!? I wouldnt sweat it too much. After autoxing in many different venues with different groups, you have to realize, its really is a SOLO sport. 99% of what people share is BS or doesn't apply to every driver. 1% of what people share are the fundamentals which are what win national championships. (This statement is obviously part of the 99%)

[AustinTX]

Not saying data is bad - just saying it's not necessarily going to help everyone. I've seen plenty of people chase their tails with little understanding of how to properly interpret and react to data. If you can't accurately place the car at the same spot of each corner lap after lap, how will you make a meaningful adjustment with any predictability/repeatability? Sometimes it's best to just pull up and pay attention to driving the car better

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by vroom4

YOU PEOPLE!?

yeah, YOU people

[7thgear]

Originally Posted by AustinTX

Not saying data is bad - just saying it's not necessarily going to help everyone. I've seen plenty of people chase their tails with little understanding of how to properly interpret and react to data. If you can't accurately place the car at the same spot of each corner lap after lap, how will you make a meaningful adjustment with any predictability/repeatability? Sometimes it's best to just pull up and pay attention to driving the car better

all true


but my treatise started in response to the dude saying, in not so many words that "there's no way in hell this car can go faster, I'm absolutely sure of it"

and for that particular driver, data is the next step in self discovery, because if he felt there was more in him, he wouldn't have said that there isn't... gnomesane?

[AustinTX]

No doubt. There is never a perfect run. Always room to improve. Usually, it comes with learning just how far you can drive while the car is seemingly out of control. If your run looks tidy, you're probably not trying hard enough.

[Kido1986]

Originally Posted by AustinTX

If your run looks tidy, you're probably not trying hard enough.

Some will argue against that. However, all I can envision in watching Sam run a Corvette while reading that hahah