COVID Developments and News

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by weederr33

See, what is that hard to post more recent data? I know you wanna throw sarcasm in there to be a prick or to be funny, but the fact of the matter is, you're trying to make a point, yet with a subject this new, you need newer data. It doesn't matter if it's a few years or yesterday.

I guess my issue is how the definitions have changes recently.

I am not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but does it not make you wonder why the CDC changes the definitions of "Natural Immunity", "Herd Immunity" and "Gain of Function testing"

In my particular hospital; we have started to change the definition of vaccinated. Particularly if someone got their second dose more than 90 days ago.

EDIT: was trying to be funny.
Not you, but other people have moved the goalposts in this thread multiple times.

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Atropine

I guess my issue is how the definitions have changes recently.

I am not trying to be a conspiracy theorist, but does it not make you wonder why the CDC changes the definitions of "Natural Immunity", "Herd Immunity" and "Gain of Function testing"

In my particular hospital; we have started to change the definition of vaccinated. Particularly if someone got their second dose more than 90 days ago.

EDIT: was trying to be funny.
Not you, but other people have moved the goalposts in this thread multiple times.

ah ok. good old internet makes it hard to pick up humor sometimes.

I've come to terms with science and changing of names or definitions. Hell my profession is always being redefined when new research comes out for fitness. It's how it's always been. If it's not the names, it's the mechanics or risk-reward ratio, ect.

I think people villainize the CDC far more than they should. It's their call to redefine something in that particular field. I don't see what the big deal is.

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by weederr33

ah ok. good old internet makes it hard to pick up humor sometimes.

I've come to terms with science and changing of names or definitions. Hell my profession is always being redefined when new research comes out for fitness. It's how it's always been. If it's not the names, it's the mechanics or risk-reward ratio, ect.

I think people villainize the CDC far more than they should. It's their call to redefine something in that particular field. I don't see what the big deal is.

I agree. My only issue was the CDC/Fauci changing the definition of Gain of Function testing so he didn't perjur himself in front of congress.

It is like a little kid changing the rules of the game as they go along.

BTW: Fitness is a super big interest of mine.
I really wish people would state/admit the big thing about COVID...being in shape and living a healthier lifestyle would be beneficial to everyone's health in a lot of things.

[spike021]

Again, if you're a smoker feel free to keep on doing it however much you like but keep that shit away from people. Fortunately we have laws and rules against smoking where other non smokers are.

So basically if you don't want to get vaxxed that's your decision but stay the F away from everybody else.

Easy peasy lemon squeezey but I know that's still too hard for the anti vaxxers

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by spike021

Again, if you're a smoker feel free to keep on doing it however much you like but keep that shit away from people. Fortunately we have laws and rules against smoking where other non smokers are.

So basically if you don't want to get vaxxed that's your decision but stay the F away from everybody else.

Easy peasy lemon squeezey but I know that's still too hard for the anti vaxxers

Or vaxxed can stay away from unvaxxed?

Do not go to the designated smoking point and bitch an moan about smokers there.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Atropine

I get it, you are from Canada and you seem to be enjoying these lockdowns, but a lot of us do not like the idea of the government controlling us 24/7.

OK so you have corrected yourself that one Dr told you this is how a bunch of other Drs feel. So, still can be called bullshit since it's not first hand info. and this Dr can tell you whatever he wants.
Enjoy lockdowns? Are you fucking kidding?

So, what exactly do you think would be my incentive to promote /prostheletize getting the Covid19 vaccination? To PROLONG lockdowns? Man that's mixed up.

Society by consensus, using the knowledge of the experts decided that mandates are the best course of action. You are a very small MINORITY. And you're going against what most people believe in, which makes you a pariah in many circles. I am sorry you are stuck there, championing the cause of the dirty unvaxxed masses. Since you can't do shit about it, why not just suck it up, buttercup?

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by wbradley

OK so you have corrected yourself that one Dr told you this is how a bunch of other Drs feel. So, still can be called bullshit since it's not first hand info. and this Dr can tell you whatever he wants.
Enjoy lockdowns? Are you fucking kidding?

So, what exactly do you think would be my incentive to promote /prostheletize getting the Covid19 vaccination? To PROLONG lockdowns? Man that's mixed up.

A BUNCH of doctors I work with are against the vaccine mandate...but are pro-vaccine.

Yes, a lot of doctors are against mandates but are pro-vaccine.

Society by consensus, using the knowledge of the experts decided that mandates are the best course of action. You are a very small MINORITY. And you're going against what most people believe in, which makes you a pariah in many circles. I am sorry you are stuck there, championing the cause of the dirty unvaxxed masses. Since you can't do shit about it, why not just suck it up, buttercup?

Nazis were the majority in Germany. SO was that ok to treat the minority different?

No, one Doctor has told me a lot of stuff to expect. (I did not "correct myself")

You need to quit assuming you hold a moral high ground when you discuss this stuff.

There are some pretty awful examples in history of people using disease as an excuse to subjugate others.
https://perspectives.ushmm.org/item/...y-cause-typhus
https://slate.com/technology/2014/08...roupthink.html
https://www.nature.com/articles/511291a

Congrats man. You have sided with Hitler's teachings and Nazi propoganda.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by Atropine

Or vaxxed can stay away from unvaxxed?

Do not go to the designated smoking point and bitch an moan about smokers there.

Lol what? Nobody in their right mind who doesn't smoke does that.

The key here is that whereas smoking is an active issue, COVID is passive. I can choose whether to go near smokers at a designated smoking point. I cannot choose to go to a store or restaurant and avoid the unvaxxed.

So again, feel free to go about being unvaxxed, but don't go into communal areas that require vaccination and bitch and moan about the rules there.

See how that works?

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by spike021

Lol what? Nobody in their right mind who doesn't smoke does that.

The key here is that whereas smoking is an active issue, COVID is passive. I can choose whether to go near smokers at a designated smoking point. I cannot choose to go to a store or restaurant and avoid the unvaxxed.

So again, feel free to go about being unvaxxed, but don't go into communal areas that require vaccination and bitch and moan about the rules there.

See how that works?

Yeah you can. Just don't go to a store or restaurant unless they require vaccine cards.

Most concerts and sporting events require vaccines or negative COVID tests.

But if the group running the show/store doesn't require that...I would suggest you not go there.

See how that works?

You can opt out of the world.

[wbradley]

Atropine, virtually all my family died in concentration camps except for the ones that immigrated in the 20's and early 30's.

You have a lot of fucking nerve comparing my view to Hitler's.

Fortunately most people are on my side including all governments and health authorities. You are the outcast here, not me.

You're not the first so called libertarian to talk out of both sides of their face on this site. You're vaccinated, doctors should recommend vaccination in most cases, but people should be allowed to be free wheelin'. Cuz muh rights.

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Atropine, virtually all my family died in concentration camps except for the ones that immigrated in the 20's and early 30's.

You have a lot of fucking nerve comparing my view to Hitler's.

Fortunately most people are on my side including all governments and health authorities. You are the outcast here, not me.

You're not the first so called libertarian to talk out of both sides of their face on this site. You're vaccinated, doctors should recommend vaccination in most cases, but people should be allowed to be free wheelin'. Cuz muh rights.

And even with that terrible personal history, you don't see the problem with subjugating people based off of them having a different world view from you.

Go look in the mirror and really really think about why this subject upsets you so much.

How can you be so quick to jump on the majority bandwagon and be willing to deny others their basic civic/civil rights?

Why don't you bring this up to some older people in your family.

Ask them: "hey is it OK to take people's rights away so I feel safer?"

Hitler had all the government authorities and the scientist on his side too.

And yes, "muh rights" are important.

See above...

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by Atropine

Hitler had all the government authorities and the scientist on his side too.

And yes, "muh rights" are important.

See above...

You're just giving yourself a good time, man. That's what my dad would have said.

Goodbye.

[Atropine]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Piss off, I've had enough of you. The law is on my side.

So did Hitler.

My Grandfather was in the US Navy and risked his life to end Hitler's reign btw.

You don't have a monopoly on suffering from WWII.

[wbradley]

My mom's dad volunteered (not conscripted) for the army and spent 2 years fighting in Europe.

And my uncle, who is turned 100 in June and is doing well served in the air force in the war. Radio operator I think.