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xjohnx · 05-28-2013, 03:10 PM

Kind of makes me glad that I have only run 5 tanks or so through.
@robispec - Out of curiosity how many miles are on the car? How many of those mile are track miles vs street driven?

mad_sb · 05-28-2013, 03:11 PM

Awesome, I just switched to E85 Saturday

... glad we have this info now as it means a fix will be available soon i'm sure.

Guess i will do my E85 tune before this tank runs out then switch back to 93 till the solution makes it to market.

Yruyur · 05-28-2013, 03:17 PM

I assume flex fuel will help delay this because you can run enough of a blend of pump gas and ethanol?

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OrbitalEllipses · 05-28-2013, 03:19 PM

This was inevitable... @arghx7 warned us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yruyur

I assume flex fuel will help delay this because you can run enough of a blend of pump gas and ethanol?

Not really? Increasing ethanol content past 10% will increase deterioration; using a lower blend of ethanol will still deteriorate faster than regular ethanol content gas so stating that it would "delay" deterioration is not exactly correct.

robispec · 05-28-2013, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Kind of makes me glad that I have only run 5 tanks or so through.
@robispec - Out of curiosity how many miles are on the car? How many of those mile are track miles vs street driven?

just under 11k 8K of which are track miles of which 5 k are "Pure" e-85 fuel

See now why I buy a car to test for potential racing generated "FIXES" to the oem "shortfalls" for track use?
We get ahead and stay ahead of the abuse overuse cycle.
Yes it costs money buy robispec parts !
ROFLMAO...

Thanks RObi

xjohnx · 05-28-2013, 03:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robispec

just under 11k 8K of which are track miles of which 5 k are "Pure" e-85 fuel

Thanks for the info!

Do you think the volume of fuel you're putting through that filter on track (as opposed to street driving) played a role in accelerating the failure?

rice_classic · 05-28-2013, 03:32 PM

I find this thread a little astonishing. This car is designed for E0-E10 with a 91 or better octane rating. I thought it was common knowledge that you're not suppose to run E15-E85 in a car that isn't designed for it. Please excuse my incredulity but did nobody read their manual?

mikalem · 05-28-2013, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rice_classic

I find this thread a little astonishing. This car is designed for E0-E10 with a 91 or better octane rating. I thought it was common knowledge that you're not suppose to run E15-E85 in a car that isn't designed for it. Please excuse my incredulity but did nobody read their manual?

This was mostly for those that already threw out the warranty and warnings, and went and tuned for E85, not for the rank and file I'm betting. Speaking as someone with the Visconti Flex Fuel kit on order, this news isn't welcome at all.

jpit · 05-28-2013, 03:38 PM

The Govt just approved 15% ethanol content for cars from 2001 onward.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/new-...es-group-warns

robispec · 05-28-2013, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xjohnx

Thanks for the info!

Do you think the volume of fuel you're putting through that filter on track (as opposed to street driving) played a role in accelerating the failure?

Yes and this was brought to a head faster when we installed and tuned for a FI (inovate) option the DI's are almost at their limits with the current system demands.

xjohnx · 05-28-2013, 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robispec

Just like them to vote and change the laws of PHYSICS lol

WHEN your fuel system goes bad and you are out of warranty who gets the bill? your legislators?
Or dumb ass buerocrats like lisa "global warming" jackson..

any idea how factory flex fuel vehicles get around this issue?

robispec · 05-28-2013, 03:57 PM

flexfuel vehicles are DESIGNED to run on e-100...with the parts in the fuel systems made to take the specific issues with ethanol.

xjohnx · 05-28-2013, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robispec

flexfuel vehicles are DESIGNED to run on e-100...with the parts in the fuel systems made to take the specific issues with ethanol.

Right, I was just wondering specifically how they get around this issue with the fuel filter. It seems like it would be hard not to use adhesive when manufacturing it.

xjohnx · 05-28-2013, 04:01 PM

What're the chances of bypassing the intank filter and putting an inline filter on the fuel supply line?

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