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04-15-2013, 05:11 AM | #15 |
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Pretty much anything other than very minor modifications has to be engineered.
I'd say replacing a major part of the rear suspension would fall in to this category. Failure of a component like this could have fairly major ramifications. In the event of this occuring,any insurance compay would have a really good escape clause. Cheers Len |
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I'm sorry, I don't think "materials" wins the vote. Steel plate, if correctly designed, is more than up to the task. Also, as I mentioned, the Hancha LCA use an inboard adjuster. This means when you adjust the camber you alter the toe as well.
I am not disputing the quality/integrity of the Hancha units. Last edited by Captain Snooze; 04-15-2013 at 06:08 AM. |
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Wow I'm confused more than ever! lol
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From what I have read inboard adjusters can be a pain to adjust. Also fiddly because you (or more likely the steering shop) adjusts the camber then corrects the toe the corrects the camber again. So it can be a little time consuming to get it spot on BUT once you have the geo set to your liking it's not like you will be playing around with it much so the benefits of outboard adjusters is likely only to be an advantage in the beginning.
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You have now got me interested in your product. Do you have a web page on the product where I can read more about it? and do you have photos of the actual product? The main thing I want is to be able to adjust the camber. But if I'm going to upgrade the Control Arm I don't want to have to upgrade it again when I start hitting the track. If your product can offer all of that, then you have got me interested. You also mentioned that the Stance would be better than the Cusco. But how would the Stance compare to your product? |
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I went with the racerx 4130 steel LCA myself that are overbuilt and hella functional rather than something aimed at the hell-flush crowd,like stance, it all depends on your application, usage and intent
I am to old to fall for pretty annodized colors, and married to a doctor, I cant take the liability of shoddy parts, stuff failing and us getting sued, nor is this a good part to use a softer metal or save weight. the benefit of replacement is adjustment for the purpose of dialing in camber for more grip there is no benefit to spending more on this part than needed, while I like Hancha design, their pricepoint is north of $500, and I cant justify the extra cost from an engineering standpoint If you application is a hellaflush build you can use whatever u want it wont matter anyways, right? Doctors get sued enough frivolously its a suspension part that bears great load if you track your car, so keep this in mind when electing to replace OE which is steel Liability wise, you can see what I like in my signature below I had the option to work with Stance and 'represent them' in my sig line, and really didnt consider the cusco or the stance product, for my set it and forget it type of component selection intended for track use. Likely if it wont fail for me on the track, it wont fail on the streets either. |
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Not all of us live in areas where salt isn't present. Yes I am familiar with Aurora joints, in fact we use them for trailing arms however we go for larger shanks than the actual joint hole diameter. It doesn't hurt to over-engineer stuff, and no end of simulation is going to tell you everything that will happen, like in the case of a crash. |
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If so they look pretty good to me. I'll have to read up on them more. |
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so......I dont think the boots are that relevant, I prefer to not have them my truck sees muck and only muck , salt snow and sand year round for over 6 hears on the same heims, etc My truck 'grew up' being used for trips to NJ,PA, VT and Maine, so I know salt and snow too Dont over think it, just use the best stuff, dont be cost driven on this part Its the cheaper, under built, under spec'd solutions you need to watch for, I dont like trying to save weight on weight bearing stuff, I like a solid sway bar, steel linkages etc. I rather aim at over built, unless youre trying to do a F1 formula build and have the means to that budget, I stay with brute over bold, thats is my philosophy here stance or cusco? I like the cusco better so youre following a contractors pickup truck a 4"x4" post falls off the back of the truck and you dont have time to react your clearance is 3.9" it slides under you aimed at you like a stationary torpedo gouging each and every surface at 80mph I dont care what the simulator says, I want steel in my life at that moment over alum, some of that is just a peace of mind thing for me-which materials fatigue level is higher after the 2 years of track you been doing?What is fatigue? and just what am I doing to the thing as I hit the rumble strips on each and every turn at the track, over and over and over, or here, where highway is all washboard from heat? how does each react to catastrophic forces, when driven to fail? which absorbs more energy? Steel's tendency to bend before it deforms to breakage is usually greater than aluminum's ability to bend, before it breaks, thats pretty empirical, when compare like thicknesses, both in ideal grades for the given application aluminum is a easy metal to cnc, and sell vs crafting the same part with steel, its nice that its also very easy to overbuild, so there is merit to alum parts, for sure, I like the stuff hnacha posts about alot, great logic driven stuff it seems, when I compare overbuilt alum to over built steel, steel wins for me tho Last edited by Huehuecoyotl; 04-15-2013 at 10:54 AM. |
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Come on man I Know you know better than that... Aluminum is an Element, and is almost never used un-alloyed, Steel is a name used to describe Alloys with an Iron base material, hardly seems a fair comparison... I could show you "steel" with horrible FTY and FTU numbers and some very trick "aluminum" with outstanding FTY and FTU numbers, It's all in the alloy, Motorsports seems to get obsessed with some of the more common alloys due to cost, customer familiarity, and availability. But there are catalogs full of materials that fall into the general catagories of "steel" and "aluminum" Hancha is doing some pretty smart design work allowing the engineering behind these materials to let him take his designs to another level. Something very common in Aerospace, glad to see it getting brought to the street...yo! |
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