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Matador · 12-08-2009, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by White Comet

:happy0180:
Agreed. If it comes out at 2600 lbs and has 180-200 hp, I'll be happy. If it weighs any less than that, I'll be ecstatic.

I can agree with that.

Franisco · 12-08-2009, 02:05 AM

Oddly this has nothing to do with the original topic..

OldSkoolToys · 12-08-2009, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by White Comet

Fair enough, but my skepticism still holds because you are comparing an FWD economy car to a RWD sports car. That alone is enough to make the comparison moot, as Old Skoo explained, as per the drivetrain differences.

I think 2800-2900 lbs might be too skeptical (even for me), but 2400 lbs? Not a freaking chance. Not for 21 grand.

It also has a lot to do with the chassis. Compared next to the FT, the yaris chassis will be a noodle. Extra reinforcements are placed in the car to make it handle better, and this obviously makes it heavy.

2800-2900 is pretty skeptical, agreed. Probably to the point of lowering your expectations way too low.

2400 would be a work of engineering art on a $21k car, and is way over the "raising your expectations toooo high" mark. I choose the middle ground. 2600 is very doable at this price range.

Also, to correct you about the 1300kg remark: Tada was talking about the concept car, not their plans on the actual production car. And if I'm not also mistaken, that information was translated by someone on a blog. So its also highly unreliable. 1300kg puts it at ~2900lbs. Thats extremely heavy for a car this size, and is ~300lbs over what their original production plans for this car were. I really don't see them making that an "Acceptable" final weight. Thats just not Toyota-like.

ddoouugg · 12-12-2009, 01:06 AM

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It also has a lot to do with the chassis. Compared next to the FT, the yaris chassis will be a noodle. Extra reinforcements are placed in the car to make it handle better, and this obviously makes it heavy.

beat me to it.

OldSkoolToys · 12-12-2009, 11:22 PM

Here's something interesting.

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It is also expected that Subaru will be using their ever popular turbocharged horizontally-opposed "boxer" 4 cylinder to drive the upcoming concept. It is not yet official if Toyota will also be using a Subaru boxer, which is what the concept originally debuted with, or if they will use one of their own.

Source: http://inventorspot.com/articles/sub...cept_car_35381

Of course I say....What? Not official? Its all they've been talking about! Low-center of gravity this and that. But its fun to open up an old topic! lol.

ddoouugg · 12-12-2009, 11:33 PM

How current is that? I'm pretty sure that Toyota has confirmed a NA 2.0 boxer

OldSkoolToys · 12-12-2009, 11:36 PM

Dec. 9th it appears. Its definitely after the LA Auto show.

ddoouugg · 12-13-2009, 02:38 AM

Interesting. I wish it had been at the auto show.

Matador · 12-13-2009, 04:18 PM

They have no idea wtf they are talking about.

scape · 12-13-2009, 06:39 PM

maybe they are insinuating "toyota's version of a boxer" ? i think it's boxer nonetheless, as it's been stated a dozen times

OldSkoolToys · 12-15-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by scape

maybe they are insinuating "toyota's version of a boxer" ? i think it's boxer nonetheless, as it's been stated a dozen times

Hmm, thats an interesting take on it...never thought about it in that light.

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scape Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Drives: yaris Location: sc Posts: 144 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	maybe they are insinuating "toyota's version of a boxer" ? i think it's boxer nonetheless, as it's been stated a dozen times __________________

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