Help with chassis upgrade

[yomchi1989]

Originally Posted by Satu23

Surprised this thread is already at page 2!!

As you have stated - you are not planning for any racing or track days - so i wouldn't see the point of doing those mods, unless your planning to hoon around...

seriously, going around slowly through a roundabout how your meant to in normal city driving your not going to feel the difference between the 86 and megane.....

But if you do insist... others have already mentioned parts etc which would help... I'd think money would be better spent elsewhere

Cheers, that makes sense!

[coyote]

Originally Posted by yomchi1989

Is Pirelli the best?

No. With the exception of PZero Corsas (which are exceptional), they are one of the worst.

Given I spent more than a decade teaching advanced driver training courses, I should chime in and agree with what others have said.

Just go and do some karting, that'll show you there more to driving than a list of mods down the side of the car.

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by yomchi1989

Is Pirelli the best?

Once again it's a compromise. Tyre requirements/design include noise,rolling resistance,grip,wear,cost. The last set of competition tyres I had on my car lasted about 20 kilometers. (that's right,20 motokhana kilometers). On track they last about 250kms. The grip is great,the wear not so much. You have to decide what your priorities are. Let me print it large:
THERE IS NO "BEST".

[Captain Snooze]

Originally Posted by coyote

Just go and do some karting, that'll show you there more to driving than a list of mods down the side of the car.

This.

The biggest thing I learnt from karting was you often go faster by going slower.

[yomchi1989]

Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Once again it's a compromise. Tyre requirements/design include noise,rolling resistance,grip,wear,cost. The last set of competition tyres I had on my car lasted about 20 kilometers. (that's right,20 motokhana kilometers). On track they last about 250kms. The grip is great,the wear not so much. You have to decide what your priorities are. Let me print it large:
THERE IS NO "BEST".

Ok, so what tyres would you suggest would be best for grip and noise?

[yomchi1989]

Originally Posted by coyote

No. With the exception of PZero Corsas (which are exceptional), they are one of the worst.

Given I spent more than a decade teaching advanced driver training courses, I should chime in and agree with what others have said.

Just go and do some karting, that'll show you there more to driving than a list of mods down the side of the car.

Ok, so what tyres would you suggest would be best for grip and noise?

[coyote]

Originally Posted by yomchi1989

Ok, so what tyres would you suggest would be best for grip and noise?

Dunno. I'm going to try some Pilot Super Sports on mine.

Look carefully at all the responses. There's no simple answer on what to fit to the car, but becoming a better driver will always be the right answer. I'm still working on it.

When I was instructing, I saw so many Hyundai drivers behind the wheel of Porsches.

[Captain Snooze]

Have a look here:
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSe...45&diameter=17
For you can read reviews from people who have used those tyres. But remember differnt people have differnet expectations from their tyres and the same tyres can perform differently on differnt vehicles.

Here is Tirerack's review of 4 Extreme Performance Summer Tires.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tests/...y.jsp?ttid=118
REMEMBER COMPROMISE. It might be great in the dry at the expense of wet weather performance. It might be noisier than you wanted. So many variables.

[st162celica]

Originally Posted by Satu23

Surprised this thread is already at page 2!!

Page 2 because OP has replied to every post and has thanked every post.

Hmmm.

Back on topic. There is so much info on this forum to answer these questions.
Coilovers, strut bars, tyres, strip some weight. Pretty obvious for handling.

Sticking to the speed limit is one thing but Cornering hard and driving fast through round abouts is classified as negligent driving.

[yomchi1989]

Originally Posted by st162celica

Page 2 because OP has replied to every post and has thanked every post.

Hmmm.

Back on topic. There is so much info on this forum to answer these questions.
Coilovers, strut bars, tyres, strip some weight. Pretty obvious for handling.

Sticking to the speed limit is one thing but Cornering hard and driving fast through round abouts is classified as negligent driving.

I guess that depends on what you and I consider to be fast.

[st162celica]

Originally Posted by yomchi1989

I guess that depends on what you and I consider to be fast.

Dude, Ive lost my license 3 times over the last 10 years. Should have lost it 6 times. I know what fast is.

If your implying that your type of fast is not as fast as what everyone else here has been lead to believe, then i would say that the 86 handling standard is all that you need for the road. Even power wise it is enough for road driving. Tracking it is a different story.

I corner hard and fly through roundabouts, but i dont deny its not safe or the right thing to do.

There is just limits, i just hope most people on the road know their limit and not put other peoples lives at risk.

[70NYD]

Originally Posted by yomchi1989

I guess that depends on what you and I consider to be fast.

It depends on what the law says its fast.
Just because you can enter a street 90deg corner at 80+ doesn't mean You do.. Street is not a track, you never know when there might be a kid on the street around the corner. Generally corners should be at 20-30 kph less than speed limit. If you don't understand why then you have never lost someone close to you due to idiotic behaviour of another party
Man this thread is a fail..
The number one thing I can reccomend is driver training, as there are so many people that don't know how to drive properly to get the best out of their car in even stock form. Sure you can throw money at it on susy and chassis upgrades, but that's not fixing the initial problem, only means your again not using the car nowhere to its true potential

[yomchi1989]

Originally Posted by st162celica

Dude, Ive lost my license 3 times over the last 10 years. Should have lost it 6 times. I know what fast is.

If your implying that your type of fast is not as fast as what everyone else here has been lead to believe, then i would say that the 86 handling standard is all that you need for the road. Even power wise it is enough for road driving. Tracking it is a different story.

I corner hard and fly through roundabouts, but i dont deny its not safe or the right thing to do.

There is just limits, i just hope most people on the road know their limit and not put other peoples lives at risk.

Well, I have been driving for 7 years. I once got a $30 parking ticket.

So yeah, I think that speaks for itself.

[LeftFootBrake]

Based on your comments, I think what you are trying to achieve is the best setup for driving The Pace. Although written for motorcyclists, it is also an adaptable technique for cars and one that probably most aligns with my own method.

I can tell you from ~3,500km of 86 experience on the following NSW roads...

• Palm Beach
• McCarrs Creek
• Ku Ring Gai Chase
• Peats Ridge / Wollombi
• Old Pacific Highway
• Macquarie Pass / Kangaroo Valley
• Wiseman’s Ferry
• Royal National Park / Grand Pacific Drive
• Putty Road

...that I think the stock setup already generally has too much grip for this state's road laws. After all, most NSW roads have extremely slow posted limits, where corners would be safely negotiable in these cars at higher speeds than the allowed limit (sometimes very significantly, such as with the Old Pacific Highway, which at 60 is now the most boring road on earth) . However, if you are in Tassie, with arguably the best roads in Australia, then I would probably have a different view re some mods.

Hope that makes sense and encourages you to at least try the stock setup before purchasing changes to it. Of course, all of this assumes the type of driving you enjoy, the laws of your locale, and that you put function over form.