namess vs AP crossover pipe?

[krea.tion]

Quality of welds is one thing but so is corporate showmanship and respect. You guys are both doing a serious disservice to your companies by doing this publicly. I know that I for one will not be buying from either of you.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by krea.tion

Quality of welds is one thing but so is corporate showmanship and respect. You guys are both doing a serious disservice to your companies by doing this publicly. I know that I for one will not be buying from either of you.

Probably best to base your opinion of each company themselves on their development threads instead of a "vs" thread. Vs threads almost never go over well.

I think the OP got info from both on why they believe their system is the right choice and that's what matters right now.

I would love to see the welds from inside the pipes though.. leaving the thread open just for that :P

[NOBROWS]

i got my nameless axle back today,i was highly impressed by the workmanship and quality of the product, it fit amazing compared to other systems ive installed before , cant wait til the headers are released so i can get them and down pipe

[krea.tion]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Probably best to base your opinion of each company themselves on their development threads instead of a "vs" thread. Vs threads almost never go over well.

I think the OP got info from both on why they believe their system is the right choice and that's what matters right now.

I would love to see the welds from inside the pipes though.. leaving the thread open just for that :P

Thats the thing, in the aftermarket industry there are TONS of companies with both quality products, good histories and good PR. Regardless of the quality of products sold by these vendors, I won't buy a product from a company that resorts to keyboard battle royales. There are plenty of equally good products from other companies to choose from.

[mike2100]

Originally Posted by krea.tion

Quality of welds is one thing but so is corporate showmanship and respect. You guys are both doing a serious disservice to your companies by doing this publicly. I know that I for one will not be buying from either of you.

I'd rather choose based on quality. It's not like you'd be buying blood diamonds.

Publicly is the best way. It forces transparency, and when is transparency a bad thing?

Nameless and Perrin have rejuvenated my interest in this hobby. 5 years ago I was buying parts for my car based on looks and sound alone. Now I have dyno graphs and design/manufacturing philosophies to compare. Greddy, HKS, Tanabe, Apexi all just don't have the same meaning they used to. New small business owners are figuring out what the customer wants and are delivering.

[NOBROWS]

Originally Posted by mike2100

I'd rather choose based on quality. It's not like you'd be buying blood diamonds.

Publicly is the best way. It forces transparency, and when is transparency a bad thing?

Nameless and Perrin have rejuvenated my interest in this hobby. 5 years ago I was buying parts for my car based on looks and sound alone. Now I have dyno graphs and design/manufacturing philosophies to compare. Greddy, HKS, Tanabe, Apexi all just don't have the same meaning they used to. New small business owners are figuring out what the customer wants and are delivering.

totally agree

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by krea.tion

Thats the thing, in the aftermarket industry there are TONS of companies with both quality products, good histories and good PR. Regardless of the quality of products sold by these vendors, I won't buy a product from a company that resorts to keyboard battle royales. There are plenty of equally good products from other companies to choose from.

That's fine Certainly it should be part of your decision, I would just suggest not limiting yourself ONLY to what's said in a comparison/"vs" arguement thread. After all, you can have a horrible product and just never say another bad about anything, doesn't make the product good though

I just think the development/design/dyno/etc threads just show you a better description of the products in question than this thread does and would be very informative to potential customers of either product.

[2pt5RS]

Originally Posted by Dimman

Forum before Vivid vs forum after Vivid?

Everyone wins when the worthless company that is vivid goes away.

[krea.tion]

Originally Posted by mike2100

I'd rather choose based on quality. It's not like you'd be buying blood diamonds.

Publicly is the best way. It forces transparency, and when is transparency a bad thing?

Nameless and Perrin have rejuvenated my interest in this hobby. 5 years ago I was buying parts for my car based on looks and sound alone. Now I have dyno graphs and design/manufacturing philosophies to compare. Greddy, HKS, Tanabe, Apexi all just don't have the same meaning they used to. New small business owners are figuring out what the customer wants and are delivering.

I agree with this, Mike. Definitely my #1 priority when choosing aftermarket parts is their quality and performance. I'm young, but I've been around the game long enough to see plently of these "I designed it, they copied it" remarks. Truth is, there are only so many ways to route piping under the existing structure so that modifications are not necessary. All I'm saying is that quality being equal, I'll choose Company A over Company B if something about B irks me. With parts like exhausts, good welds are dime a dozen, as is proper fitment thus you cannot bank on the success of your company based on quality alone.

[mike2100]

Originally Posted by krea.tion

I agree with this, Mike. Definitely my #1 priority when choosing aftermarket parts is their quality and performance. I'm young, but I've been around the game long enough to see plently of these "I designed it, they copied it" remarks. Truth is, there are only so many ways to route piping under the existing structure so that modifications are not necessary. All I'm saying is that quality being equal, I'll choose Company A over Company B if something about B irks me. With parts like exhausts, good welds are dime a dozen, as is proper fitment thus you cannot bank on the success of your company based on quality alone.

Ok then, quality + proven gains. With the other companies I named you may get quality but who knows what the gains are unless someone on the forum is nice enough to dyno before and after, with all other parts being stock.

[os86]

nameless all the way. I do appreciate very much all the r&d that is posted on the forum and the fact that our opinions are considered / welcomed.

[krea.tion]

Originally Posted by mike2100

Ok then, quality + proven gains. With the other companies I named you may get quality but who knows what the gains are unless someone on the forum is nice enough to dyno before and after, with all other parts being stock.

Are you talking about Japanese companies like HKS and Greddy? I think in cases like that you are mostly seeing a language barrier more than anything. There are proven gains with them too its just they cater more to the Japanese market and publish gains in Japanese magazines, forums and TV programs that we don't really get much exposure to here.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Vs threads almost never go over well.

Dave-ROR vs. Guff; I want to see it!

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by OrbitalEllipses

Dave-ROR vs. Guff; I want to see it!

Bah I'll win. :P