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Old 10-09-2021, 12:38 PM   #1
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Import your new BRZ from Canada, eh!

"It's Cheaper To Import A BRZ From Canada Than To Buy One In The U.S."

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Here in the U.S., a base BRZ starts at $27,995 before destination and delivery. A Canadian base model costs CAD $29,495 — just $23,427 at current exchange rates. Even accounting for destination, delivery, and other fees, the Canadian BRZ costs only $25,094 in Freedom Bucks.
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the hassle is not worth it, especially if you are not near the border.

having brought in a car from Canada last year, I can tell you there's also the secondary considerations of what you have to pay on the Canada side, duties, transportation, etc. you even have to take into account the cost of flying into Canada and the paperwork you have to declare coming back, and if you screw up you have to export your vehicle within 30 days or do it all over again at a port of entry.

there are also a lot of states that require a smog check on a new car imported into the state.

if you want a road trip, sure. just don't justify it as cost savings because there aren't any to be had.
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Yeah there are definitely hidden costs to consider but we are talking several grand now.

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Here are the extra costs/ tax a Canadian dealer may impose.

GST HAS to be paid , Provincial should not.

About 20-15 years ago STI’s were priced quite a bit higher in Canada and many up north were tempted to buy from an American dealer. Many found out a few months later Subaru Canada did not want to warranty their “American STI” buying a car out of your country puts you in a grey zone and one should do their homework diligently! There may be other import cost that would null out the savings.

As for more legal info check this out:

https://www.dirtlegal.com/blog/6-ste...us-by-yourself


Do the 2022 ‘s still have the Metric/Miles button?
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Here are the extra costs/ tax a Canadian dealer may impose.

GST HAS to be paid , Provincial should not.

About 20-15 years ago STI’s were priced quite a bit higher in Canada and many up north were tempted to buy from an American dealer. Many found out a few months later Subaru Canada did not want to warranty their “American STI” buying a car out of your country puts you in a grey zone and one should do their homework diligently! There may be other import cost that would null out the savings.

As for more legal info check this out:

https://www.dirtlegal.com/blog/6-ste...us-by-yourself


Do the 2022 ‘s still have the Metric/Miles button?
So $29,004.05 USD?

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I know when the BRZ first came out I spoke with a dealer in the Niagara Falls/ Buffalo area and they had allotment available in that exclusive dark blue that was only for MY '13. I think as an offshore car there was a duty fee in the 6% range plus I would have to pay sales tax coming into Ontario. The paperwork to import a car needs to be prepared days ahead. Overall it's a lot of effort and probably for little savings.

Going from US to Canada you probably have to pay 5% GST and then duty at the border for Japanese made cars not under NAFTA (I know it's changed now, but not sure exactly how). Then state taxes at the rate of your county may apply. You might save a little but it's really not worth it. Also, US cars are sold by SOA which operates as a separate business than Canadian operations and almost guaranteed there will be problems with warranty claims. In the past dealers would make you pay up front for all "warranty" work then attempt to claim reimbursement from Subaru before refunding your money. I would expect to be left SOL by SOA if you do that.
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SOA has a reciprocal warranty agreement with Canada.
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Yes but... It's not easy when you're in the US with a Canadian car. (Speaking from first hand knowledge.) I can well imagine it's immensely more so with a Canadian registered US model import car.
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the other kicker/consideration is how are you going to finance this car?

if you're paying cash, sure, it will work. if you are financing any aspect of it, good luck, because banks will give you financing as if it was a private party/used car which carries a higher interest rate.
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I know when the BRZ first came out I spoke with a dealer in the Niagara Falls/ Buffalo area and they had allotment available in that exclusive dark blue that was only for MY '13. I think as an offshore car there was a duty fee in the 6% range plus I would have to pay sales tax coming into Ontario. The paperwork to import a car needs to be prepared days ahead. Overall it's a lot of effort and probably for little savings.

Going from US to Canada you probably have to pay 5% GST and then duty at the border for Japanese made cars not under NAFTA (I know it's changed now, but not sure exactly how). Then state taxes at the rate of your county may apply. You might save a little but it's really not worth it. Also, US cars are sold by SOA which operates as a separate business than Canadian operations and almost guaranteed there will be problems with warranty claims. In the past dealers would make you pay up front for all "warranty" work then attempt to claim reimbursement from Subaru before refunding your money. I would expect to be left SOL by SOA if you do that.
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Yes but... It's not easy when you're in the US with a Canadian car. (Speaking from first hand knowledge.) I can well imagine it's immensely more so with a Canadian registered US model import car.
duties are 2.5% for cars sold in Canada being imported to the US.

as for warranty, this is the coverage in Canada for US sold vehicles... I can't imagine it being different in the US for Canadian sold vehicles.

https://www.apa.ca/CanadianWarrantyi...eUS.asp#Subaru

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may be a huge hassle after all said and done.
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last thing to consider on this is exchange rate. The exchange rate as of 11:55AM PDT 10/11/2021 is 1.2485 CAD to 1 USD.

Most banks will give you about 2-3% less than this, so expect closer to 1.20 to 1 rates.

At that price (minus QST) the Canadian BRZ is $27591 USD if buying in Canada. Add $614.xx 2.5% duty to import, and let's say you have a transport company bring the car over the border for $500 from Vancouver to Bellingham WA to drive home. You're already looking at a car that is $28,700+ not including gas or flight costs to get you to the car.

2022 BRZ built via US site is $28955 USD before TTL, so even after adding 10% to cover tax/title/registration the BRZ is estimated $31,754.50

At this point it's a $3000 spread, maybe less if your state/local taxes/fees total less than 10% of the purchase price. If inventory gets better or if dealers are willing to even give you $500-1000 off MSRP, then you suddenly have a compelling case NOT to import one from Canada, especially considering financing and warranty aspects.

But like I said, if you want a road trip, sure. Just don't justify it as cost savings.
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the other kicker/consideration is how are you going to finance this car?

if you're paying cash, sure, it will work. if you are financing any aspect of it, good luck, because banks will give you financing as if it was a private party/used car which carries a higher interest rate.
Just get a generic car loan from a bank or credit union instead of the dealer. You have a lot more freedom that way.

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Here are the extra costs/ tax a Canadian dealer may impose.

GST HAS to be paid , Provincial should not.

Do the 2022 ‘s still have the Metric/Miles button?

I'm not sure about Canada to US but there are companies in canada that export cars to other countries ..... They can probably help you import it to US as well. *I know they are able to get both GST & PST back?


As for the Metric/Mile button, it's probably gone. It's just a setting in the digital console now.
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Importing also has some really oddball side effects.

My Tacoma was a Quebec original. It's HVAC display permanently displays all temps in Celsius.

I can easily change every other temp/mileage display in the truck between metric and imperial, but the HVAC system needs to be completely gutted and replaced with a US version of the system to get the imperial readings...

It's not that hard to figure out, but just a pain to deal with on a day to day basis
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