09-23-2021, 05:26 PM | #1079 |
Feeling like thinking....
Join Date: Oct 2015
Drives: 2013 FR-S
Location: CNY
Posts: 1,664
Thanks: 1,664
Thanked 2,433 Times in 1,064 Posts
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Some statistics, nationwide, that closely mirror the statistics for our county I posted a few days ago. Just to reiterate, vaccinated or not, it is extremely rare for Covid to be a death sentence, and almost never for otherwise healthy people.
__________________
Drive like everyone's life around you depends on it...
|
09-23-2021, 05:40 PM | #1080 |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2020
Drives: BRZ ts
Location: SACRAMENTO
Posts: 758
Thanks: 415
Thanked 796 Times in 303 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
|
Lots of people live through chemotherapy too.
|
09-23-2021, 05:47 PM | #1081 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2014
Drives: 2017 BRZ
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,288
Thanks: 1,258
Thanked 2,929 Times in 1,714 Posts
Mentioned: 58 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
It is somewhat rare for it to be a death sentence, but not extremely rare. It is still 11 times MORE rare if you are vaccinated. Note that the death rate is also lower than if we'd just gone about business as usual, which is how everything else on that list happens.
__________________
Second chance build... or whatever it is.
|
|
The Following User Says Thank You to cjd For This Useful Post: | weederr33 (09-23-2021) |
09-23-2021, 06:03 PM | #1082 |
extra what?
Join Date: Sep 2014
Drives: a 13 e8h frs
Location: vantucky, wa
Posts: 32,090
Thanks: 52,539
Thanked 36,820 Times in 19,089 Posts
Mentioned: 1111 Post(s)
Tagged: 9 Thread(s)
|
Again, I'm completely dumbfounded. I find it impossible to believe that this argument is made in good faith.
IT'S A BRAND NEW CATEGORY JFC
__________________
|
09-23-2021, 06:04 PM | #1083 |
Feeling like thinking....
Join Date: Oct 2015
Drives: 2013 FR-S
Location: CNY
Posts: 1,664
Thanks: 1,664
Thanked 2,433 Times in 1,064 Posts
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
"Moderna CEO says COVID-19 pandemic could be over in a year
Nearly 55% of the U.S. population has been fully vaccinated" https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/...over-in-a-year
__________________
Drive like everyone's life around you depends on it...
|
09-23-2021, 06:35 PM | #1084 |
Sarcastic SOB
Join Date: May 2012
Drives: '13 FR-S M6, '23 Volvo V60 CC
Location: Thornhill Ontario
Posts: 4,631
Thanks: 1,359
Thanked 2,852 Times in 1,640 Posts
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
|
Anyone want to post the stats for today for their area?
OK, I'll start. Ontario Sept 23, 2021 677 new infections ( has dropped over 7 days from a peak of more than 950) 148 were fully vaccinated. 7 deaths reported. If Covid19 wasn't circulating, 7 people wouldn't have died today. I'm still not sure MuseChaser why you commented that the odds of death are low. Are you referring specifically for yourself? Vaccinated, following protocols that would probably be true. This should serve as NO assurance for those who are not fully vaccinated and not following protocols.
__________________
5:AD kit, HKS V1+ S/C, ECUtek dyno'd, Ohlins MP20, Magnaflow cb, Revworks UEL, Topspeed overpipe, Pinnacle Ceramic tint, VG shark fin, HID's, yellow DRL's, full LEDs, red floor lights, Homelink mirror, trunk lid liner, Perrin LWCP, Valenti smoked, Flossy Grip Tape Shorty, GT86 plaque, lighted vanity mirror, Michelin PSS, Project mU +800, DOT4 fluid, 720 Form GTF1 17x8&9, stitched leather bits, EZ valve.
|
09-23-2021, 06:49 PM | #1085 | ||
Feeling like thinking....
Join Date: Oct 2015
Drives: 2013 FR-S
Location: CNY
Posts: 1,664
Thanks: 1,664
Thanked 2,433 Times in 1,064 Posts
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Quote:
As far as making an "argument," that's not my intention. Not once have I ever suggested that we don't take Covid seriously or anything even remotely close that to that. I've stated unequivocally that getting the vaccine is a smart choice for most people, and that my wife and I have been vaccinated. I am not arguing. At the end of 2020, for the year the statistics I posted, there were 254,249,919 confirmed cases... https://covidtracking.com/data/national ..and since a large number of cases are asymptomatic or go unreported, it's safe to deduce that there were more cases of infection than that. Ignoring that and using the 254, 249,919 number, that would indicate that in 2020 if you contracted Covid you had a 0.136% chance (1.36 in a thousand) of dying from it. Far less if you were other wise healthy, and a great deal more likely to die if you were elderly and/or had other health problems. That is NOT good, something to be ignored, insignificant, or any thing else along those lines. It is something to be considered and ameliorated as best we can. I've never said anything other than that. All I'm trying to do, as best I can, is to try and keep things in perspective. <personal back story snipped because it didn't do any good so no point> I guess all I'm saying is that I can't look at an approximately 1 in a 1000 risk (at worst) and use that as a reason to stop living or to live with even a remote amount of fear. I look at it, think, "what can I do to minimize it?" and "will my actions affect or harm anyone around me?" then act, live, and be grateful for the life I have and the people around me. JC IS a source of strength for me, and the "F" is totally unnecessary. Science is also a strong interest of mine, and they are not mutually exclusive by any stretch of the imagination. "Why" and "How" have always been my favorite questions, and I admit to being much more of an analyst than a feeler. Perhaps some of that is due to being faced with so much as a child that thinking got me through some things that were a bit too much to feel. No arguments intended, no desire to change anyone's mind, no faults found in others if they don't share my views. All I'm trying to do is interject some hope and light into discordant waters.
__________________
Drive like everyone's life around you depends on it...
Last edited by MuseChaser; 09-24-2021 at 11:26 AM. |
||
The Following User Says Thank You to MuseChaser For This Useful Post: | Jdmjunkie (09-23-2021) |
09-23-2021, 07:21 PM | #1086 |
Sarcastic SOB
Join Date: May 2012
Drives: '13 FR-S M6, '23 Volvo V60 CC
Location: Thornhill Ontario
Posts: 4,631
Thanks: 1,359
Thanked 2,852 Times in 1,640 Posts
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
|
OK MuseChaser, you have had to deal with life risking procedures in the past years so in your mind you consider Covid19 a relatively low risk.
Maybe so, except you know that you need to be careful and protect yourself and it isn't necessarily low risk to you. Always keep that in mind, not being fearful, but smart. There is no argument a virus that is responsible for killing over 700,000 people in the US most certainly has caused a huge number of excess deaths, even if many of the victims already had life threatening illnesses. The threat appears to be diminishing over time but the door is still open for a wicked mutation as long as this virus lingers all over the place. The good news is virus mutations usually tend to be less pathological over time. In any religion being a good human being comes first.
__________________
5:AD kit, HKS V1+ S/C, ECUtek dyno'd, Ohlins MP20, Magnaflow cb, Revworks UEL, Topspeed overpipe, Pinnacle Ceramic tint, VG shark fin, HID's, yellow DRL's, full LEDs, red floor lights, Homelink mirror, trunk lid liner, Perrin LWCP, Valenti smoked, Flossy Grip Tape Shorty, GT86 plaque, lighted vanity mirror, Michelin PSS, Project mU +800, DOT4 fluid, 720 Form GTF1 17x8&9, stitched leather bits, EZ valve.
|
09-23-2021, 07:55 PM | #1087 | |
Airborne at your service
Join Date: Sep 2014
Drives: '17 BRZ Series.Yellow
Location: El Paso, Texas
Posts: 6,370
Thanks: 4,552
Thanked 5,642 Times in 2,958 Posts
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
__________________
|
|
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to weederr33 For This Useful Post: |
09-23-2021, 08:14 PM | #1088 |
Sarcastic SOB
Join Date: May 2012
Drives: '13 FR-S M6, '23 Volvo V60 CC
Location: Thornhill Ontario
Posts: 4,631
Thanks: 1,359
Thanked 2,852 Times in 1,640 Posts
Mentioned: 32 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
|
That's true. You can trace back all kinds of setbacks from car manufacturers having no inventory due to chip order cancelations to restaurants with huge capital costs going belly up. Unemployment, bankruptcies, closures. Now, labour shortages, anxiety, more unemployment, government debt leading to inflation. This virus messes up many people in many ways.
__________________
5:AD kit, HKS V1+ S/C, ECUtek dyno'd, Ohlins MP20, Magnaflow cb, Revworks UEL, Topspeed overpipe, Pinnacle Ceramic tint, VG shark fin, HID's, yellow DRL's, full LEDs, red floor lights, Homelink mirror, trunk lid liner, Perrin LWCP, Valenti smoked, Flossy Grip Tape Shorty, GT86 plaque, lighted vanity mirror, Michelin PSS, Project mU +800, DOT4 fluid, 720 Form GTF1 17x8&9, stitched leather bits, EZ valve.
|
The Following User Says Thank You to wbradley For This Useful Post: | Dadhawk (09-23-2021) |
09-23-2021, 08:15 PM | #1089 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: May 2014
Drives: 2017 BRZ
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,288
Thanks: 1,258
Thanked 2,929 Times in 1,714 Posts
Mentioned: 58 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
Those arguing for have largely been trying to protect themselves and others from ALL of the various outcomes; a few days off work, permanent flavor and smell changes, any of the many other weird long (how long? don't know yet) side effects, killing a family-member or friend without knowing it, etc... Or is it that those deaths don't matter, because something else killed more people? maybe we should stop trying to solve ALL the things that kill us early and focus just on the top one? If I run someone over and kill them, will that hold up in court? "oh, but really this is just one death, it was not significant because this other thing kills SO many more people." Covid kills. Covid maims - how long term, we don't know... We have ways to reduce the impact. We should use all of those, just like we do for EVERY OTHER THING ON THAT LIST, to the best of our current knowledge and understanding.
__________________
Second chance build... or whatever it is.
|
|
09-23-2021, 08:17 PM | #1090 | |
Feeling like thinking....
Join Date: Oct 2015
Drives: 2013 FR-S
Location: CNY
Posts: 1,664
Thanks: 1,664
Thanked 2,433 Times in 1,064 Posts
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Quote:
__________________
Drive like everyone's life around you depends on it...
|
|
09-23-2021, 08:21 PM | #1091 |
Feeling like thinking....
Join Date: Oct 2015
Drives: 2013 FR-S
Location: CNY
Posts: 1,664
Thanks: 1,664
Thanked 2,433 Times in 1,064 Posts
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
Don't know what "NGL" means. Gotta say, it feels real good to have someone respond like that when sharing some pretty serious, difficult life experiences. Thank you.
As I replied to wbradley, those things are indeed real, but are due to responses to the virus, and not the virus.
__________________
Drive like everyone's life around you depends on it...
|
09-23-2021, 08:23 PM | #1092 |
Feeling like thinking....
Join Date: Oct 2015
Drives: 2013 FR-S
Location: CNY
Posts: 1,664
Thanks: 1,664
Thanked 2,433 Times in 1,064 Posts
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
|
I agree with that portion of your post.
__________________
Drive like everyone's life around you depends on it...
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Dating during Covid | Impureclient | Off-Topic Lounge [WARNING: NO POLITICS] | 144 | 08-22-2023 12:33 PM |
Covid 19 origin(s) | Lantanafrs2 | Off-Topic Lounge [WARNING: NO POLITICS] | 280 | 08-29-2021 12:38 AM |
Covid Lockdown Activities | Boomerang | Off-Topic Lounge [WARNING: NO POLITICS] | 1471 | 09-29-2020 03:38 PM |