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06-14-2021, 03:55 AM | #1 |
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The 2nd gen BRZ will have similar performance to…?
OK. So the first gen twin had similar performance to a DC2 Integra Type R.
‘12 to ‘16 BRZ vs DC2 Integra Type R —> https://zeperfs.com/en/duel4320-176.htm ‘17+ BRZ vs DC2 Integra Type R —> https://zeperfs.com/en/duel6893-176.htm Where do you think the 2nd gen twin will land? Journalists have always bemoaned the lack of power, hopefully this gen will shut them up. I’m thinking similar or maybe slightly better performance than an S2000. Can’t wait for the reviews to come through in the coming months! Last edited by Dirty Harry; 06-14-2021 at 04:34 AM. |
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S2000 has slightly better power/weight and much better weight distribution, but 2nd-gen probably has stronger midrange pull. I expect 0-60 a similar to a couple of ticks behind and a 1/4-mile trap speed of ~98-99mph for 2nd-gen, same to ~2mph slower vs. S2k.
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The GR86/BRZ2 has 22 ft*lbs more torque though. Considering the S2000 has 9 horsepower more, I think this will all come down to gearing. Not so sure the weight distribution is a real detriment, it may just change the ideal tire stagger setup and/or the way you drive the car. 50/50 vs 53/47 isn’t a huge difference. According to Nissan (citing development of the Z33), 53:47 weight distribution is actually better than pure 50:50 because, when the car is accelerating, weight transfer will lead to 50:50. |
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I think ZDan’s 98-99 mph trap speed prediction will be dead-on accurate. Does anyone think it is kind of sad that we are using a 20 year-old car as a benchmark for 2022 sports car, and potentially still falling short in some key performance parameters?
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Depends on how you look at it. Yeah a lot of turbo hot hatches will perform better these days. But the S2000 is pretty well regarded even today and was a different class of car, compared to what a twin is in. I think for a corner carver that you can drive on the street the power should be about spot on. I want a decent amount of power but I don’t want to drive a car where if I redline it in third on a spirited drive I wind up in court. I’ve also been pretty content with the current gen’s power for the past few years. If I end up getting the new one down the track the extra bump in power will still be welcome. If it is at around the S2000 performance, I think it is a good incremental step and should be celebrated.
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Alternatively, if you wanted a better value and more performance, the Veloster N is probably the performance bargain king right now. But I don't think the GR86/BRZ will be that far off from the N. |
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There is also the small thing about price that can not be ignored. The Integra being compared to would be around a $45,000 car in today's money. Not exactly comparing apples to apples. No doubt without the restrictions and at almost double the price a new Twin would blow the doors off any 20 year old car.
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The 2nd gen BRZ will have similar performance to…?
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Power output is not dependent on gearing. Effective wheel torque is. Quote:
The miata’s power to weight is 0.076, the BRZs is 0.072. Add to that that the Miata has less inertia to get off the line with the 400lbs missing and that it comes with much better tires, and I’m not surprised. Quote:
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Whatever it is, it'll still be too slow.
Benchmarks are: Hypercars = Less than 2 seconds Supercars = less than 3 seconds "super" sport sedans = Less than 4 seconds "regular" sport sedans/luxury sedans = Less than 5 seconds Sports car = Less than 5 seconds Family sedans = Less than 6 seconds everything else = dont bother, too slow and unsafe And it still needs a turbo. |
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Power = thrust at the wheels * road speed Torque = you know nothing without having all the gear ratios In the end, power is what tells you about acceleration. When you adjust engine torque with gear ratios, you're basically calculating power. With no other knowledge than engine power, you can have a good idea of acceleration performance. With only engine torque, you know nothing about performance potential. Power is more "complete" info. Quote:
55.2F/44.8R. I weigh my car every track event to verify I'm OK for my classification. Stock with me in it and a full or nearly-full tank is indeed 55/45 and not 53/47. Quote:
The MIata's "less inertia to get off the line" is entirely accounted for in "power/weight". It's REAL advantage is *much better weight distribution*. Quote:
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55/45 should be a lot worse under *braking* as well (all other things equal), as again the fronts are way more overworked, and the rears contributing even less. Quote:
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Fair points. Yea I found my car benefitted from adjustable bars with more stiffness in the rear, much more noticeable than I was expecting. |
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What's sad to me is that manufacturers are aiming more and more for performance specs and uber-super-megaperforrming cars rather than making smaller, lighter-weight cars that are inherently more fun |
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