follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Speed By Design
Register Garage Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Go Back   Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community - FT86CLUB > 1st Gens: Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 / Subaru BRZ > Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum

Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum The place to start for the Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 | GT86


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 11-24-2020, 03:54 PM   #1
paiceyfan
Senior Member
 
paiceyfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Drives: 2014 Porsche Cayman S
Location: Corvallis, OR
Posts: 496
Thanks: 335
Thanked 248 Times in 125 Posts
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Don't underestimate the 86!

18 months ago I made the switch to a 2014 Porsche Cayman S from my Edelbrock supercharged BRZ. The change in quality was clear, but I wanted to come back and mention some things. The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

I feel like I am piloting the Porsche, but driving the BRZ. The Porsche is so capable that it seems like overkill at times. The gearing is stupidly long. I know I complained about having to shift into third in the BRZ to get to 60mph, which affects the 0-60 time...never will again.

The PDK of the Porsche is NOT like a manual, so I am now moving to a manual GTS.

Essentially, the 86 is a wonderful, everyday, fun car that I miss. Maybe one day I will pick one up again.

This is a love letter to the 86 and all it is. Love what you have guys!

Anyone else make a move to another car and has some regrets?
__________________
It's not speed or the attention that matters, it is that unexplainable moment when man and machine become one! At that time, nothing else exists except the path before you.
paiceyfan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 23 Users Say Thank You to paiceyfan For This Useful Post:
Audio (12-09-2020), bcj (11-24-2020), Bobharp (11-25-2020), Bonburner (11-25-2020), DarkSunrise (11-24-2020), FRSapex (12-10-2020), Hades (11-25-2020), HKz (11-25-2020), Hoahao (11-25-2020), JesseG (12-01-2020), NLSP (11-24-2020), Ohio Enthusiast (11-24-2020), Opie (11-24-2020), SC10N (01-08-2021), soundman98 (11-24-2020), Spankopotomous (11-26-2020), Spuds (11-25-2020), Stonehorsw (11-26-2020), StraightOuttaCanadaEh (11-24-2020), Tcoat (11-24-2020), Ultramaroon (11-25-2020), Windycitystig (11-24-2020), ZDan (11-24-2020)
Old 11-24-2020, 04:21 PM   #2
TommyW
Senior Member
 
TommyW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Drives: '13 Whiteout
Location: San Clemente
Posts: 1,492
Thanks: 496
Thanked 1,242 Times in 673 Posts
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
No, but I ended up with an 86 that is NA but tuned and track focused. I call it my mini GT3. I went from a 911 to a 911TT to a Miata and now have the 86. I love this car. It's the best of many worlds. It isn't my DD so I could care less about certain things it doesn't have. The 911 TT was a good GT but the 86 is so much sharper and the lightness makes for a better experience. It's fast ENOUGH.

The Miata was a strong nope.

How much power do you really need? Been there done that and gobs of power aint all that.

Last edited by TommyW; 11-24-2020 at 11:23 PM.
TommyW is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 6 Users Say Thank You to TommyW For This Useful Post:
JesseG (12-01-2020), NLSP (11-24-2020), paiceyfan (11-24-2020), Petah78 (11-24-2020), soundman98 (11-24-2020), ZDan (11-24-2020)
Old 11-24-2020, 04:36 PM   #3
gen3v8
30 minute maintenance
 
gen3v8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2020
Drives: My18 wrxsti My19 brzts
Location: Botany Bay
Posts: 1,154
Thanks: 751
Thanked 1,200 Times in 616 Posts
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I can`t wait to get mine on the track! Then starts the mods to get it how I want it, the last car took a couple of years. That got better as my wife and I did also.
gen3v8 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to gen3v8 For This Useful Post:
paiceyfan (11-24-2020)
Old 11-24-2020, 04:54 PM   #4
86prime
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2018
Drives: 18 BRZ tS
Location: NorCal
Posts: 106
Thanks: 21
Thanked 47 Times in 28 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Except you're comparing to an SC BRZ. What's your comparison to factory BRZ?

Sent from my LG-H932 using Tapatalk
86prime is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 86prime For This Useful Post:
Joveen (11-24-2020)
Old 11-24-2020, 05:34 PM   #5
paiceyfan
Senior Member
 
paiceyfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Drives: 2014 Porsche Cayman S
Location: Corvallis, OR
Posts: 496
Thanks: 335
Thanked 248 Times in 125 Posts
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by 86prime View Post
Except you're comparing to an SC BRZ. What's your comparison to factory BRZ?

Sent from my LG-H932 using Tapatalk
That makes it even more interesting because you are adding in the difference between the NA and S/C BRZs. I think that the S/C BRZ isn't necessarily better than the NA BRZ...just different. For power fun, the S/C BRZ was better, obviously, but for outright driving at the limit, the NA BRZ was best. I completely understand why Tada-san stays away from the supercharged BRZ now, but I still think he needs to allow consumers the option of S/C if they want it.

The 2022 BRZ is going to be interesting...is it the best of both worlds...more power, but not losing the essence of driving of the original.
__________________
It's not speed or the attention that matters, it is that unexplainable moment when man and machine become one! At that time, nothing else exists except the path before you.
paiceyfan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to paiceyfan For This Useful Post:
JesseG (12-01-2020), NLSP (11-24-2020), Ohio Enthusiast (11-24-2020), soundman98 (11-24-2020)
Old 11-24-2020, 08:26 PM   #6
Mr.ac
[insert cool phrase here]
 
Mr.ac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Drives: BRZ Premium
Location: Central Coast CA
Posts: 2,369
Thanks: 709
Thanked 1,559 Times in 930 Posts
Mentioned: 30 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
'93 MR2 Turbo > BRZ
All day everyday. Stock for stock more power more toque, and weighs less.
__________________
New daily driver - Subaru BRZ Premium
Weekend fun/track car - '91 MR2 Turbo Gen3
Old daily driver - '88 MR2 Supercharged
Mr.ac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-24-2020, 10:17 PM   #7
mrg666
pessimistic skeptic
 
mrg666's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Drives: '14 FR-S Monogram AT JRSC
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,774
Thanks: 1,700
Thanked 1,044 Times in 688 Posts
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
A PDK Cayman S is better in every possible way as a sports car than any twin. Are you just trying to be popular here?
mrg666 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to mrg666 For This Useful Post:
TunaNoCrust (11-28-2020)
Old 11-24-2020, 10:38 PM   #8
DarkPira7e
Rust bucket enthusiast
 
DarkPira7e's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Drives: 2013 Turbo Firestorm FRS
Location: Vermont
Posts: 3,955
Thanks: 3,217
Thanked 4,107 Times in 2,052 Posts
Mentioned: 31 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrg666 View Post
A PDK Cayman S is better in every possible way as a sports car than any twin. Are you just trying to be popular here?
Careful. "Better" is subjective, he specifically said he didn't like the transmission and if rowing gears is what makes it a sports car for him, I'd agree that a lot of cars are better suited. I wouldn't be caught dead in a post 2000s Porsche, or Lamborghini or anything else touted as some incredible sports car- only because of my needs in a sports car, rather than their capability overall.

I'd actually drive a broken ass 88 Firebird with the 305 and 5spd trans over a Porsche Cayman s. Why? Because I like to work for it
DarkPira7e is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following 8 Users Say Thank You to DarkPira7e For This Useful Post:
Audio (12-09-2020), Dadhawk (11-25-2020), Hades (11-25-2020), Ohio Enthusiast (11-25-2020), soundman98 (11-24-2020), Stonehorsw (11-26-2020), Tcoat (11-25-2020), ZDan (11-24-2020)
Old 11-24-2020, 10:59 PM   #9
TommyW
Senior Member
 
TommyW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Drives: '13 Whiteout
Location: San Clemente
Posts: 1,492
Thanks: 496
Thanked 1,242 Times in 673 Posts
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrg666 View Post
A PDK Cayman S is better in every possible way as a sports car than any twin. Are you just trying to be popular here?
So I’m assuming you’ve owned a Cayman?
TommyW is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-25-2020, 07:24 AM   #10
mrg666
pessimistic skeptic
 
mrg666's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Drives: '14 FR-S Monogram AT JRSC
Location: Upstate NY
Posts: 1,774
Thanks: 1,700
Thanked 1,044 Times in 688 Posts
Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
I'm not telling my opinion or i care about some other opinions here. And I don't need to post references, reviews. Cayman is the established benchmark of this segment. We are not even comparing against a Lotus here. You want argue about that? Sure, go ahead among yourselves. Btw, i love my FRS for what it is
mrg666 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to mrg666 For This Useful Post:
NWFRS (11-30-2020), soundman98 (11-25-2020)
Old 11-25-2020, 08:02 AM   #11
ZDan
Senior Member
 
ZDan's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Drives: '23 BRZ
Location: Providence, RI
Posts: 4,629
Thanks: 1,411
Thanked 3,955 Times in 2,066 Posts
Mentioned: 85 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrg666 View Post
I'm not telling my opinion or i care about some other opinions here. And I don't need to post references, reviews. Cayman is the established benchmark of this segment. We are not even comparing against a Lotus here. You want argue about that? Sure, go ahead among yourselves. Btw, i love my FRS for what it is
FT86 and Cayman are not remotely in the "same segment". Yes, they benchmarked the Cayman, but they are in totally different segments, the FT86 being a reasonably lightweight, economical, sporty and fun-to-drive front-engine rear-drive 2+2, the Cayman being a much more expensive/luxo mid-engined 2-seater.

The Cayman is a great car for sure, but it is NOT as immediately engaging and fun-to-drive as the FT86. For *many* of us, the FT86 is actually BETTER, for US. I came to this conclusion after driving my BRZ alongside my 987.2 last year on the road and at the track. Plan was to pick the one I liked best at the end of the year, and it was the BRZ, and it wasn't even close. BRZ is, for me, WAY more fun and engaging to drive every day, to the store, and also on the track. Porsche is fun enough at the track, but it's less engaging and playful and it's frankly boring to drive in town at 2/10ths.

Sold the Porsche and while I did have some fun with it, I don't really miss it. I would have *missed* the BRZ!
ZDan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 9 Users Say Thank You to ZDan For This Useful Post:
Hades (11-25-2020), JesseG (12-01-2020), Ohio Enthusiast (11-25-2020), paiceyfan (11-25-2020), SC10N (12-01-2020), Stonehorsw (11-26-2020), Tcoat (11-25-2020), TommyW (11-25-2020), Ultramaroon (11-25-2020)
Old 11-25-2020, 08:24 AM   #12
Don Ivey
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Drives: '13 FR-S
Location: Smithfield, NC
Posts: 135
Thanks: 3
Thanked 37 Times in 31 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I recently sold an '87 911 Carrera which I owned at the same time as a '13 FR-S (still own). Both are great cars, and really can't be easily compared except to say that both are kind of primal, exciting to drive, and somewhat alike dynamically. Biggest difference to me was the engines sound, feel, power. The 911 was something special! As to handling, they were more alike than different, as long as you didn't forget to never suddenly take your foot off the gas in a tight curve in the 911
__________________
Don Ivey
'13 FR-S (Hot Lava)
Don Ivey is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Don Ivey For This Useful Post:
paiceyfan (11-25-2020)
Old 11-25-2020, 09:36 AM   #13
paiceyfan
Senior Member
 
paiceyfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Drives: 2014 Porsche Cayman S
Location: Corvallis, OR
Posts: 496
Thanks: 335
Thanked 248 Times in 125 Posts
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrg666 View Post
A PDK Cayman S is better in every possible way as a sports car than any twin. Are you just trying to be popular here?
No, I am serious. Is the Cayman a more capable, faster car...absolutely...but that isn't everything. The feel and experience of driving the car on backroads is completely different...shockingly so.
__________________
It's not speed or the attention that matters, it is that unexplainable moment when man and machine become one! At that time, nothing else exists except the path before you.
paiceyfan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to paiceyfan For This Useful Post:
Audio (12-09-2020), soundman98 (11-25-2020), Tcoat (11-25-2020), Ultramaroon (11-25-2020)
Old 11-25-2020, 09:38 AM   #14
paiceyfan
Senior Member
 
paiceyfan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2014
Drives: 2014 Porsche Cayman S
Location: Corvallis, OR
Posts: 496
Thanks: 335
Thanked 248 Times in 125 Posts
Mentioned: 11 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZDan View Post
FT86 and Cayman are not remotely in the "same segment". Yes, they benchmarked the Cayman, but they are in totally different segments, the FT86 being a reasonably lightweight, economical, sporty and fun-to-drive front-engine rear-drive 2+2, the Cayman being a much more expensive/luxo mid-engined 2-seater.

The Cayman is a great car for sure, but it is NOT as immediately engaging and fun-to-drive as the FT86. For *many* of us, the FT86 is actually BETTER, for US. I came to this conclusion after driving my BRZ alongside my 987.2 last year on the road and at the track. Plan was to pick the one I liked best at the end of the year, and it was the BRZ, and it wasn't even close. BRZ is, for me, WAY more fun and engaging to drive every day, to the store, and also on the track. Porsche is fun enough at the track, but it's less engaging and playful and it's frankly boring to drive in town at 2/10ths.

Sold the Porsche and while I did have some fun with it, I don't really miss it. I would have *missed* the BRZ!
This guy gets it...you have to have owned both cars to really understand what I am trying to get at. The 'fun factor' has a lot of weight in this comparison.
__________________
It's not speed or the attention that matters, it is that unexplainable moment when man and machine become one! At that time, nothing else exists except the path before you.
paiceyfan is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to paiceyfan For This Useful Post:
JesseG (12-01-2020), soundman98 (11-25-2020), Tcoat (11-25-2020)
 
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:47 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.3.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2024 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.