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Old 11-17-2020, 11:52 AM   #477
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I hope they did bring some good team, people that had ownership of previous like speed academy and savagegeese.
They aren't looking for fair or critical reviews. They want people to regurgitate the marketing points and say how much fun they are having on their paid-for vacation with catered meals, surrounded by beautiful scenery.

I also hope some of the more critical youtubers are there, but I'm not counting on it. I think we need to wait for the cars to hit the press fleet before we get any reliable feedback, from C&D or MotorTrend comparisons, Everyday Driver, savagegeese, etc.
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They aren't looking for fair or critical reviews. They want people to regurgitate the marketing points and say how much fun they are having on their paid-for vacation with catered meals, surrounded by beautiful scenery.

I also hope some of the more critical youtubers are there, but I'm not counting on it. I think we need to wait for the cars to hit the press fleet before we get any reliable feedback, from C&D or MotorTrend comparisons, Everyday Driver, savagegeese, etc.
Missed everyday Driver. You’re right, it’s time for hype, weird voices and floating arms
And I think Subaru is right on that...
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I hope they did bring some good team, people that had ownership of previous like speed academy and savagegeese.

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Old 11-17-2020, 12:28 PM   #480
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I just realized the slide says "ride along". I wonder if anyone is actually driving this yet to share feedback. IIRC, they did a "ride along" for the 1st gen, too; that's where we got the initial interior shots from the 1st gen (but those were still in camo cars).

Hopefully it is just bad translation, I know the Japanese often say "ride" when they mean "drive".
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We'll see how close I am:

Company Built By: Subaru [CONFIRMED]
Plant Produced In: Subaru – Gunma Prefecture, Japan [CONFIRMED]
Platform: Subaru Global Platform v2 with revised Sub frame assemblies for a lower center of gravity & 40% Stiffer than v1 [SUSPECTED]
Power plant possibility #1: FA24 - 2.4L boxer 4-cylinder - Normally Aspirated (86/BRZ specific, not used in any other model) Power: 215 – 225 HP, 170-200ft/lb. torque [SUSPECTED]

Weight: Under 2,881lbs [SUSPECTED]
Suspension changes: 5x114.3 lug pattern, larger STI style wheel bearings [SUSPECTED]
Aluminum knuckles [SUSPECTED]
Models/Trims/Pricing (MSRP): [SUSPECTED]
Subaru: BRZ Limited – MT or AT w/Eyesight - $29,915 (MT) / $31,715 (AT)
Performance Package adds $2,975 - $32,890 (MT) / $34,690 (AT)
TS – MT Only (Released 1 year after) - $35,245

Toyota: 86 – MT or AT - $28,975 (MT) / $29,715 (AT)
TRD Package adds $2,975 - $31,950 (MT) / $32,690 (AT)
GR86 – MT Only (Released 1 year after) - $34,845

Official Announcement Date: November 18, 2020 [CONFIRMED]
Projected Release Date: Spring 2021 [SUSPECTED]



Originally created on: 02/17/2020
Updates: 11/17/2020


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BRZ Limited 6MT
PRICE STARTING AT: $29,923

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EPA Classification: Subcompact Cars

Drivetrain: Rear Wheel Drive
Engine Type and Required Fuel: Premium Unleaded H-4
Displacement (liters/cubic inches): 2.4 L/146
Fuel System: Gasoline Direct Injection
Maximum Horsepower @ RPM: 221 @ 6000
Maximum Torque @ RPM: 193 @ 4400
Number of Transmission Speeds: 6
First Gear Ratio (:1): 3.63
Second Gear Ratio (:1): 2.19
Third Gear Ratio (:1): 1.54
Fourth Gear Ratio (:1): 1.21
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1): 1.00
Sixth Gear Ratio (:1): 0.77
Reverse Ratio (:1): 3.44
Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1) : 4.30

Fuel Economy and Range
CO2 Emissions, 15K mi/year (tons): 6.5
Range, city/highway (miles): 283.10 / 371.80
EPA Fuel Economy, combined/city/highway (mpg): 28 / 30 / 37
Fuel Capacity / Gas Tank Size: 13.8

Exterior Dimensions
Wheelbase (inches): 101.7
Length (inches): 164.3
Width, without mirrors (inches): 70.1
Height (inches): 52.4
Front Track Width (inches): 60.1
Rear Track Width (inches): 60.8
Minimum Ground Clearance (inches): 4.9

Interior Dimensions
Passenger / Seating Capacity: 4
Total Passenger Volume (cubic feet): 77.2
Front Head Room (inches): 37.2
Front Leg Room (inches): 42.0
Front Shoulder Room (inches): 54.8
Front Hip Room (inches): 53.4
Second Row Head Room (inches): 35.3
Second Row Leg Room (inches): 30.2
Second Row Shoulder Room (inches): 51.8
Second Row Hip Room (inches): 46.2

Cargo Area Dimensions
Trunk Space (cubic feet): 6.6

Steering: Rack-Pinion (Electric)

Suspension
Front Suspension Type: Strut
Rear Suspension Type: Double Wishbone

Brakes
Brake Type: 4-Wheel Disc
Anti-Lock-Braking System: 4-Wheel
Front Brake Rotors, diameter x thickness (inches): 11.6
Rear Brake Rotors, diameter x thickness (inches): 11.4

Wheels and Tires
Front Wheel Size (inches): 17 X 7.5
Front Wheel Material: Aluminum
Front Tire Size: P225/45YR17
Rear Wheel Size (inches): 17 X 7.5
Rear Wheel Material: Aluminum
Rear Tire Size: P225/45YR17
Spare Wheel Size (inches): Compact
Spare Wheel Material: Steel
Spare Tire Size: Compact
Wheel Bolt Pattern: 5 x 114.3mm

Base Curb Weight (pounds): 2881

Electrical
Cold Cranking Amps @ 0° F: 470
Maximum Alternator Capacity (amps): 190
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Old 11-17-2020, 12:42 PM   #482
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Hopefully it is just bad translation, I know the Japanese often say "ride" when they mean "drive".

This was a US meeting slide.


Edit: Retailer conf call
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This was a US meeting slide.


Edit: Retailer conf call
Thanks for clarifying where that came from.

Seems like a waste of time to even have media there if they can't drive it. This car is all about the driving feel; I doubt anyone is going to get excited by the specs.

Everyone's youtube video is going to be the exact same!
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Old 11-17-2020, 01:18 PM   #484
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Yes, a new car usually costs more than a used one. But, there are other things to consider. Pretty much every time I've gone out to buy a car I've started by perusing the usual on-line cars-for-sale sites, thinking I'd buy used to 'save a few bucks', and most of the time I've ended up buying new (except when the car is out of production and only available used, like the S2000 or RX8).
It’s funny that you mention this. One of my friends has an s2000 that he bought used. We drive canyons together often and usually switch cars a few runs. This past weekend, he mentioned that driving my car (e85, coilovers, BBK, LWFW) has made him question whether he should have bought a new 86 instead. Doesn’t help that he’s had some used car issues like worn engine mounts, odd noises from the trans/diff, shifter feel, worn suspension, etc. Whereas I’ve had my car since new (about 8 yrs) and know it inside and out. Even with all the track miles on it, it’s been pretty reliable apart from consumables. I pretty much just get in and drive.

Definitely something people don’t really think about buying used. I feel like the longer you intend to keep a car and drive it hard, the more it makes sense to buy new for reliability and peace of mind.
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I will be at the track tomorrow so I will be looking out the details
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We'll see how close I am:

Company Built By: Subaru [CONFIRMED]
Plant Produced In: Subaru – Gunma Prefecture, Japan [CONFIRMED]
Platform: Subaru Global Platform v2 with revised Sub frame assemblies for a lower center of gravity & 40% Stiffer than v1 [SUSPECTED]
Power plant possibility #1: FA24 - 2.4L boxer 4-cylinder - Normally Aspirated (86/BRZ specific, not used in any other model) Power: 215 – 225 HP, 170-200ft/lb. torque [SUSPECTED]

Weight: Under 2,881lbs [SUSPECTED]
Suspension changes: 5x114.3 lug pattern, larger STI style wheel bearings [SUSPECTED]
Aluminum knuckles [SUSPECTED]
Models/Trims/Pricing (MSRP): [SUSPECTED]
Subaru: BRZ Limited – MT or AT w/Eyesight - $29,915 (MT) / $31,715 (AT)
Performance Package adds $2,975 - $32,890 (MT) / $34,690 (AT)
TS – MT Only (Released 1 year after) - $35,245

Toyota: 86 – MT or AT - $28,975 (MT) / $29,715 (AT)
TRD Package adds $2,975 - $31,950 (MT) / $32,690 (AT)
GR86 – MT Only (Released 1 year after) - $34,845

Official Announcement Date: November 18, 2020 [CONFIRMED]
Projected Release Date: Spring 2021 [SUSPECTED]



Originally created on: 02/17/2020
Updates: 11/17/2020


2022 Subaru BRZ

BRZ Limited 6MT
PRICE STARTING AT: $29,923

Vehicle
EPA Classification: Subcompact Cars

Drivetrain: Rear Wheel Drive
Engine Type and Required Fuel: Premium Unleaded H-4
Displacement (liters/cubic inches): 2.4 L/146
Fuel System: Gasoline Direct Injection
Maximum Horsepower @ RPM: 221 @ 6000
Maximum Torque @ RPM: 193 @ 4400
Number of Transmission Speeds: 6
First Gear Ratio (:1): 3.63
Second Gear Ratio (:1): 2.19
Third Gear Ratio (:1): 1.54
Fourth Gear Ratio (:1): 1.21
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1): 1.00
Sixth Gear Ratio (:1): 0.77
Reverse Ratio (:1): 3.44
Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1) : 4.30

Fuel Economy and Range
CO2 Emissions, 15K mi/year (tons): 6.5
Range, city/highway (miles): 283.10 / 371.80
EPA Fuel Economy, combined/city/highway (mpg): 28 / 30 / 37
Fuel Capacity / Gas Tank Size: 13.8

Exterior Dimensions
Wheelbase (inches): 101.7
Length (inches): 164.3
Width, without mirrors (inches): 70.1
Height (inches): 52.4
Front Track Width (inches): 60.1
Rear Track Width (inches): 60.8
Minimum Ground Clearance (inches): 4.9

Interior Dimensions
Passenger / Seating Capacity: 4
Total Passenger Volume (cubic feet): 77.2
Front Head Room (inches): 37.2
Front Leg Room (inches): 42.0
Front Shoulder Room (inches): 54.8
Front Hip Room (inches): 53.4
Second Row Head Room (inches): 35.3
Second Row Leg Room (inches): 30.2
Second Row Shoulder Room (inches): 51.8
Second Row Hip Room (inches): 46.2

Cargo Area Dimensions
Trunk Space (cubic feet): 6.6

Steering: Rack-Pinion (Electric)

Suspension
Front Suspension Type: Strut
Rear Suspension Type: Double Wishbone

Brakes
Brake Type: 4-Wheel Disc
Anti-Lock-Braking System: 4-Wheel
Front Brake Rotors, diameter x thickness (inches): 11.6
Rear Brake Rotors, diameter x thickness (inches): 11.4

Wheels and Tires
Front Wheel Size (inches): 17 X 7.5
Front Wheel Material: Aluminum
Front Tire Size: P225/45YR17
Rear Wheel Size (inches): 17 X 7.5
Rear Wheel Material: Aluminum
Rear Tire Size: P225/45YR17
Spare Wheel Size (inches): Compact
Spare Wheel Material: Steel
Spare Tire Size: Compact
Wheel Bolt Pattern: 5 x 114.3mm

Base Curb Weight (pounds): 2881

Electrical
Cold Cranking Amps @ 0° F: 470
Maximum Alternator Capacity (amps): 190
I see you changed a couple of your "confirmed" to "suspected". Thank you! Now those two line up with what I have been saying as well.
Still no points for the made by Subaru and built in Gunna plant since those were never in doubt by anybody other than that one dude.
You edited the specs on the engine? I don't recall that level of detail way back when you first showed this. Progressive editing is a foul since it does not show what your first thoughts were but what developed as things progressed.


I am totally guessing but think you may be just a bit low on the prices.
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I'm estimating the following wheel/tire specs:
- 18x7.5", 5x100, 56.1mm bore, +48 offset
- 225/40-18 Michelin Pilot Sport 4
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Any chance an auto rev matching toggle has been added to the MT?
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Any chance an auto rev matching toggle has been added to the MT?
This would be a nice feature.
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Yeah, I've pretty much bought used my entire life except one car in college when I was tired of dealing with never ending project type cars.

As I got older, I valued low miles, dealer records, one owner, cars and actually buying it from the owners so I could vet them out. Doing so led me to some nice cars, and I saved a ton of money, but I think I'm at the point in life where I want a new car that I can comfortably afford and operate and just have fun with under the radar.

I don't need to keep up with the youtube bros.
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