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What Tesla should do is give owners the option of completely disconnecting from Teslas OTA updates and their server for security/hacker reasons. At such time, the car can no longer receive OTA updates, so if the owner wishes to reinstate those features then they will need to go to Tesla to first get a virus scan and then receive the update. Similarly, Tesla should issue some type of formal recall on Autopilot technology. Because they have the means of updating this technology remotely, any refusal by the owner will be an acknowledgement of a forfeit of right to pursue litigation for a faulty system/part in the case of an accident, and any charges brought to the driver could possibly be seen as a willful act of negligence.
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Occasionally range will be decent because the chassis are relatively light for their size.
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With Autopilot, it probably should be a safety recall, because technically it is. I should then have the option of repair or turning it off as part of the recall, with the appropriate releases, paperwork, etc. I haven't seen anything on this, but has Tesla given any guidance on EOL for their vehicles? I would think at some point it would become fiscally overwhelming to continue to support a 20 or 40 year old car that is "software on wheels".
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my essential phone ph1 is likely the longest i've ever had a phone and routinely received updates, but that had everything to do with the company only ever releasing 1 phone model, so it was easy to track how the update impacted the hardware.
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My question around Tesla would be is there a point where the car becomes a brick because Tesla decides its not doing any new updates and therefore the car is rendered inoperable, or does it just stay at that last level forever. Samsung and Apple don't disable devices, it just no longer gets updates, so eventually apps don't work on it, but a car is relatively self contained. If it doesn't receive any updates it should be able to function fully at its last state.
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Is that the case for all operating systems that get OTA performance, security and features updates like IOS/Android or Windows 10? It seems like you are penalizing Tesla for OTA updates when they could do what every other manufacture does and keep the MMI or systems unchanged for years until a new model is released, and you seem to be acting like that is better. Very odd. What Tesla releases isn't garbage just like what Audi or Lexus released four years ago for their cruise control or MMI wasn't garbage then just because what they released now is better, and what they release now isn't garbage in light of the fact that in a few more years Audi and Lexus will improve the system. In the same way, improvements in the system doesn't mean it is garbage. We could do the same thing talking about performance or crash safety or whatever. In this moment, this is their best system, and they just choose to enhance it as often as improvements are made. https://www.reddit.com/r/teslamotors...oftwareupdates
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I don't know about that. Apple, for instance, continues to provide updates for years. My MacBook Pro is a mid-2010 model running a Samsung SSD and 16 gig ram, so it serves me fine. While I am still on High Sierra, I routinely get security updates. Windows supported XP for 12 years before it stopped supporting the platform. Was this because they wanted people to move on to buy more products, or was it because so few people were still using Windows XP, so they were essentially supporting such a small market that it didn't make sense. With that said, if a car manufacture still has many cars on the road after 20 years then maybe they would support them. Like Apple, maybe they don't get all the updates with the latest features that strain the performance of the hardware, but they may provide security patches. Manufactures can choose to support cars for as long as they want, as long as they do the minimum of parts for 10 years, but they can do more:
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Also support Macs as part of my job, since the days of the original Mac. I agree they provide about the same length of support for their computers as other manufacturers. Support for computers though, which are expected to have a short turnover, is different than support for a vehicle that should last a million miles, per Musk. I was really just curious if anyone knew if Tesla has ever stated "software updates forever" or any other statement about legacy support. For example, do they still provide updates for the Sportster (assuming it received OTA updates)? I did a little searching and couldn't find an "update history" for any of the cars. It's a question I would want answered for any manufacturer providing OTA updates to my vehicle, and one I will eventually ask if/when I buy one.
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It is a good point worth investigating. There are a number of cars outside of warranty or that were salvaged only to be resurrected without Tesla’s support. People are relying on third party software suppliers to jailbreak the cars. In some cases, this is used to unlock features Tesla removed or that people didn’t buy. I’m sure Tesla has an EOL plan. Currently just 1% of cars on the road are older than 25 years, but 25% are over 15 years. Then again, I don’t know if older cars are driven as much. It may become a thing where cars can receive OTA updates to maintain access to Tesla’s services/network with a service fee for cars beyond 15 years or something. Any other vehicles will lose access and will operate in a more basic configuration. This could become a problem with many cars down the road, as old technology becomes obsolete. We can kind of see this with the McLaren F1’s wifi, which can only work with old computers or something. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dig...ts-f1-supercar
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In my experience, older cars are driven just as much as newer cars, when you are talking about mass production cars. In many cases more because it's the only car a family may have.
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Again though, the whole thing is just a point of curiosity as to what the intent of Tesla (or any manufacturer) is for long-term vehicles.
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