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10-10-2020, 02:46 AM | #99 |
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Great comparison! I really want(ed) a Cayman S but the prices of the 2009+ and the fact that they need *so much* work to track prep really turned me off. The thing that really sucks about them is there are a *lot* of issues once you start tracking these cars (power steering/water pumps, cooling issues, they need an lsd, the list goes on). And I really don't see them being much more fun at all on the street. My FRS is about the best car I've ever driven for street canyon carving due to the combo of short gearing, light weight, and perfect amount of power.
I really wish there was an FRS with a bit more power from the factory for ease of passing & highway fun. Here's to hoping for a BRZ STI (yea, right...). Honestly, I think I'd rather a supercharged FRS over a Cayman S at this point with all the issues they have at the track. Faster, cheaper, and less maintenance. Plus, if you blow an engine on the 86 its <$5k whereas the porsche is ~$20k! |
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Plus it is often not possible. Someone would either need to get a personal loan at a high interest rate, or they would need to find a bank that specializes in giving loans for older vehicles, which is typically also at high interest rates. Most credit unions and banks max out at 10 years on auto loans. I like the idea of getting a Porsche someday, but I always end up at the same place. I like the look of the 911 over the Cayman, but I want a two-seater that is mid-engine over rear engine. The Cayman's gears are too long to be enjoyable. The 911 is no longer offered in a NA configuration without getting the GT3, which is too expensive. I wouldn't like a 7-speed in the 911 over a 6-speed in a Cayman. The 911 is prohibitive to buy new or lightly used. A three year old Cayman with sub 25k miles is reasonable, but the other complaints turn me off. The older water cooled 911s are the right size/weight, but I don't like the styling, and everything is so out of date. Performance is out of date for the cost, and the other thing is the wide body is only available in the AWD models. The new ones have great styling, but are too big. Besides, the average income of a new 911 owner is $750k. Too far away from me. The 992 looks the best to me, but it is too big and heavy. Although the 3.0TT engine would be best for power, there is the appeal of the GT3 engine, yet it is less usable with a 9k rpm. I need a smaller bodied 992 mid-engine GT3 touring with aggressive gearing and a 6 speed.
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I liked the Porsche, but more in the 944 area. The Cayman was a cost cutting solution to save the 911. Provide a mid-engine car with as many common components with the 911. Nice looking car and clever idea though. Not a coincidence that the first Boxster was such a success. But anyway, the BRZ is ending in Europe and we won't have too many options in the future. So, I'll have to preserve my BRZ as long as I can ...
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I'd rather they made a proper 2-seat cab-rearward 50/50 version of the Ft86 than just add power! |
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Not all tho, @CSG_Mike has had great results with his FI FT86. I would guess that a good ramp-actuated clutch-type diff is a requirement for FI power. I get power-on both-rears wheelspin out of 2nd gear corners with stock power! Frustrating...
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I wondered about that. I asked the owner of the 15' S I drove the other day if it had variable ratio steering and he didn't think so but it felt slower on center to me.
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Yea, I think the 987.2 fixed a lot of the issues with the 987.1. They are at least a ~$20k premium over the .1 in my area so I kinda stopped doing research past that. Good to hear your cayman was good to you, I definitely like the car and might be more inclined to buy one if the initial purchase price wasn't so expensive. Quote:
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Or move the transmission back like the 944 and keep the 2+2 seat layout, but these days have been passed even for Porsche. Maximize profits and lower costs is the current motif. Have you seen the new Cayman GTS 4.0? They offered back the 6-cylinder NA motor, but the price was skyrocketed comparing to the previous generation.
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Yup, key point: cost. Notice how we're always comparing the 86 to much more expensive cars? Like the S2000, Cayman, etc. Those cars had a bunch more $$$ spent in R&D for their respective platform. The 86 punches above its weight in dynamics, and even with added power the chassis handles it fine. Can you put power down like a M/R engine car? Nope, that's just the way it is, but carrying a little front bias isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's one of the things that makes the 86 one of the easier cars to manage at the edge. |
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Great post. I did similar comparisons with the 911 before I finally decided on a used BRZ. Been seven years and many happy maintenance free miles since with no regrets. Great looking car, very reasonable purchase cost, super fun to drive, low/no maintenance, inexpensive and easy to modify, and 30+ mpg!
There's still a part of me that wants tire shredding power at the back wheels, but the reality is that's less than 1% of the total driving I do. For everything from short spirited trips around town to long road trips the BRZ is the Swiss Army Knife of sports cars. Cheers! |
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Like so much else posted on the internet, rumors that the first gen Cayman needs "a lot" of work to be track prepped are totally false. Some issues are real, but again totally overblown.
I've tracked my 15 year old Cayman all weekend in 100° heat. Guess what, no power steering issues. If its not gonna happen under those conditions, it's not gonna happen. The Cayman does have some adjustable camber stock from the factory, but GT3 front control arms can help (though are far far far from the first or only track mod I'd ever consider). Consider that I spent almost $6000 rebuilding/upgrading my suspension (after 100k miles it was needed) and I didn't even consider including GT3 control arms. Is the M97 engine as robust for track use as the 9A1? No, but it's certainly fine and far from an issue. Install a better AOS and deeper baffled oil sump and most track condition issues are addressed. Plenty of valid issues that a used Cayman isn't the right option for some people. But stating it requires a lot of track prep isn't one of them.
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You could have done a dozen Le mons cars and run your own series for the rebuild of a used Cayman.
That would have been exhausting and hectic though.
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Mine had little issues too. 06 cayman s. Solved ice peddle with stiffer springs. Steering fluid tends to boil and leak a bit. That was pretty much it.
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