(GR86) Second Generation FR-S/BRZ insider info...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by R_E_L

I hear people talk about V8 pony cars in the low 30s but I certainly never saw any, otherwise I might have an SS with a license plate that said MURICA.

A base Camaro LT1 is $34K and 1SS is $37K list. You should easily be able to get an nicely configured one for low to mid 30's.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

So think that through.
Subaru was able to make a new bespoke platform based upon the old Legacy for the current cars.
Their current global platform is to be used for everything from the Impreza to the Ascent. It is even planned, by official Subaru press release, to be used in a new EV. Yet somehow they were baffled in how to make it RWD? The Toyota global platform which is predominantly FWD is somehow easier to adapt?
I don't buy it for a second. It isn't even a reasonable thought unless somebody has no idea how a global platform works and thinks that it equals a fixed chassis in some way.
The article shouldn't be hard to find since it was one of the ones that Bestcar came out with a while back and then every other clickbait jumped on board with it. Everything that they claimed they knew in that articule they have said the complete opposite in their latest (the one floating around now).
When one clickbait releases their fiction as news then the rest keep quoting it and it appears to be real when all it really is a is a huge game of telephone. They get clicks and make money though so they don't care if accurate or even real.

And Lexus is almost all longitudinal RWD :p

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by wparsons

And Lexus is almost all longitudinal RWD :p

The average curb weight of a Lexus is around 76 thousand kilograms though.

That would be my biggest gripe about using the TNGA. All RWD cars built on it are 3500lb+

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

The average curb weight of a Lexus is around 76 thousand kilograms though.

That would be my biggest gripe about using the TNGA. All RWD cars built on it are 3500lb+

Its fine for Lexus product for the most part. Luxury grand touring boats dont really need to be light and nimble when you're bathed in comfort, but they're still overly heavy for whatever reason. at least they seem to do a good job making it feel like it shrinks as you push it.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Sounds to me more like the definition of "hot hatch" has changed and those lower powered ones are "luke warm"...

(and in the spirit of full disclosure, I have always hated the term "hot hatch", there has to be a better term than that)

Energetic econobox?

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Energetic econobox?

There you go, descriptive and accurate.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

A base Camaro LT1 is $34K and 1SS is $37K list. You should easily be able to get an nicely configured one for low to mid 30's.

Low 30s for an LT1 is easy. Hell wait for Chevy's 15% end of year sales and you can buy an LT1 in the upper 20s easily.

Bang for the buck is not what the Twins represent lol

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Sounds to me more like the definition of "hot hatch" has changed and those lower powered ones are "luke warm"...

(and in the spirit of full disclosure, I have always hated the term "hot hatch", there has to be a better term than that)

Given how badly the CTR overheats at the track, and the FocusRS can shutdown AWS due to heat, Hot Hatch might be exactly right!

That Golf R luxury boat is a luke warm hatch at best though.

[ichitaka05]

Do we need to start a rumor for 2nd gen to have hatchback option? lol

[R_E_L]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

A base Camaro LT1 is $34K and 1SS is $37K list. You should easily be able to get an nicely configured one for low to mid 30's.

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

Low 30s for an LT1 is easy. Hell wait for Chevy's 15% end of year sales and you can buy an LT1 in the upper 20s easily.

Bang for the buck is not what the Twins represent lol

Not here in LA. Did a 100 mile radius search just now and there is 1 no option manual LT1 at 33.5K which comes out to about 37.1K after TTL. Next cheapest cars are 36.4K and 38.7K before TTL, everything else is north of 40. Dealers here don't really carry the entry level SS anymore.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by R_E_L

Not here in LA. Did a 100 mile radius search just now and there is 1 no option manual LT1 at 33.5K which comes out to about 37.1K after TTL. Next cheapest cars are 36.4K and 38.7K before TTL, everything else is north of 40. Dealers here don't really carry the entry level SS anymore.

Part of it is going to be this time of year, it's about the worst time to buy a chevy as their big dealers are usually in March/April. Combine that with the very limited inventory..

For what it's worth I bought my ZL1 1LE for $53k last March which is like 28% off MSRP or whatever.

Not talking with TTT/OTD though as that varies everywhere (and based on the deal, trade in tax credits, etc), just the cost of the car.

[Stephen W.]

Originally Posted by ichitaka05

Do we need to start a rumor for 2nd gen to have hatchback option? lol

I thought it was fact but... They called it a Shooting Brake.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by R_E_L

Dealers here don't really carry the entry level SS anymore.

I don't think any dealer carries the base level of any car any longer because they know buyers want what's on the lot not what they can get. You pretty much have to order it, regardless of make/model.

[Red-86]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Sounds to me more like the definition of "hot hatch" has changed and those lower powered ones are "luke warm"...

It’s obviously loose marketing and journo terminology, but there is some consistency in the following break down to describe quicker than normal hatchbacks:

Compacts, Sub-compacts with about 200HP = Warm hatch
Examples: Polo GTI, Veloster turbo/i30 N-line, Fiesta ST, Clio RS200, Cooper S, 208 GTI, Civic Si, Abarth 595

Compacts, Sub-compacts with between 230-280HP = Hot hatch
Examples: Golf GTI, Veloster/i30N, Focus ST, Megane RS280, Cooper JCW, 308GTI, S1

Compacts with 290HP or more, sometimes with AWD = Hyper hatch
Examples: Golf R, Focus RS, Megane RS300 Trophy, JCW GP3, Civic Type R, AMG A45, RS3, M135i

It’s not perfect, some are debateable, and the lines are sometimes blurred, but in general these terms allow us to make sense of the ‘go quicker’ hatches that sit above the slower cooking models.

(and in the spirit of full disclosure, I have always hated the term "hot hatch", there has to be a better term than that)

The term is pretty widely used and understood though, so I don’t like your chances of popularising a replacement term.