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I feel the same way. It's the most interesting car out there right now that would make me trade up. It really is a damn shame it's not coming to the US.
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I was bored, phoned Toyota Australia for any info about the GR4. The person I spoke didn't know anything about it, I was put on hold while she asked else where. When she returned I was told the car was a hybrid and was expected at the middle of this year. I replied we are talking about two different cars and the GR4 was featured at Toyota UK website. (Their blog page, not main website.)
Woman had no idea what I was talking about and Toyota Australia had no info/news to give. *sigh* Australia is often like this when it comes to new cars.
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If it comes to the US as a >3,000 lb Corolla I'm torn, part of me is like fuck it, support it, the other part of me knows I'll be sad every time that it's >200 lbs heavier than it needs to be.
Here's to crossing my fingers that my brother would trade his Corolla in on it and I could enjoy it that way. Then again I could just buy a Veloster N... |
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Though I'd still take a GR4 Corolla if the Yaris won't happen. It would be a nice alternative to the Veloster N, CTR, or Golf R.
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Why would they call the Yaris a corolla.....they're completely different cars.... I did however hear of a rumor that the engine might find its way into the corolla lineup though (as a hot hatch corolla GR or something) ....so that might be what the statement means? |
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It'll probably also pick up weight due to needing a different suspension layout in the rear, current 'rolla rear suspension doesn't facilitate driveshafts back there, the spring is in the way. Likely converting to a rear coilover setup which may require different chassis bracing, but that should all be built into the TNGA platform as-is. Wish I could find a picture of the TNGA AWD rear suspension layout, it should be interesting given the FWD's rear damper positioning... Hopefully they can price match the Veloster N otherwise I don't think it stands a chance in the segment. The Veloster N will be lighter vs the CGR4 with similar power so it'll be down to how well the AWD system works and if people are willing to shell out an extra $5k for the CTR/GolfR/STI or even a used FoRS. Edit; corolla sedan drops >100# vs the hatch, claimed 2910# curb weight but I'm even less interested in that format. Larry Chen posting a bunch of WRC Yaris pics this morning hasn't helped me on this issue Edit 2: 4-door Yaris in Japan is 2,601 lbs at it's heaviest that I can find, the 2dr GR4 is ~2822lbs so this hypothetical Corolla GR4 would be >3,200 lbs with ~270 hp. And I think I'm being optimistic with that number since to get to that weight the GR4 had to shed 2 doors, lower the roofline, and use lightweight body panels. Yaris GR4 2800lbs/270hp = 10.4 lbs/hp Rolla GR4 3200lbs/270hp = 11.8 lbs/hp Focus RS 3434lbs/350hp = 9.8 lbs/hp Civic Type R 3121lbs/306hp = 10.2 lbs/hp Veloster N 3036lbs/275hp = 11.0 lbs/hp STI 3400lbs/310hp = 11.0 lbs/hp Golf R 3350lbs/288hp = 11.6 lbs/hp 86 2750lbs/205hp = 13.4 lbs/hp Maybe if the Corolla is a turbo 4-banger that can match or better 11.0 lbs/hp I might be able to justify it against the competition. But I suspect the STI will get an update at some point in the near future and I doubt it will be lighter than the CTR or Veloster N so a CGR4 would always land somewhere in the middle. Maybe they keep the 270hp 1.6L turbo and FWD, squarely aim at the Veloster for that $30k price ad=nd performance point, that could work out ok especially if it comes with a decent differential. Last edited by strat61caster; 03-25-2020 at 05:12 PM. |
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I won't believe this till I see it, but interesting news!
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...onfirmed-2022/
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I kinda saw this coming... But it will be FWD. Not a bad a thing but rather have the Hyundai Verlostor N but let's see what happens.
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I haven't been a fan of the GTI for a long time now. I used to really like the older ones. Especially the VR6, but after that they kinda lost their flair.
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