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07-16-2018, 06:40 AM | #29 | |
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Grip in a straight line? Probably not. But a wider tire, of equal compound, will always give you more lateral grip, provided you can overcome any negatives associated with weight, drag and get them up to temperature. |
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RayRay88: except if on wet. Wider tire will always aquaplane at lower speeds due need to pump more litres of water out of way. And in winter or on gravel/mud, when skinnier tire has more chances to dig through to grippier surface due higher pressure per contact patch. For daily driven car (even more so - driven year round at any weather/season) i'd rise importance of wet grip by few notches.
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I agree 100%, its just that people confuse all the factors associated with tire size choices and just conclude that wider tires do not give you more lateral grip. That in it self is a false conclusion. |
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People saying that for track usage, in the dry, wider tires do not give you more lateral grip (tire compound staying the same) are the reason shit spread. You either havent tested this yourself and are just spreading lies, or you tested it but are incapable of properly extracting the maximum potential of the car. Also, people assuming better lateral grip is always going to give you better lap times...
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Roads are horrible around these parts so the extra height is nice in that respect. Just have to get used to the lifted eye level feeling...ugh. I miss the go kart eye level. |
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That video is totally useless. It’s a bunch of stopping distances on a bunch of different cars with different tires and sizes. Sure he draws a lose correlation but it has nothing to do with lateral grip. A skinnier tire will give you more front to back grip hands down. Not arguing with that. See funny cars. But lateral grip is a different story.
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Dude. I’m not gonna get into an internet argument with you. Google some stuff... I too used to think wider = more grip. Then I watched and read some stuff... educayshun teaches you to read good and about stuff. Do it.
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If anyone is really interested;
However a rubber type is a lot softer than metal, and a road is a lot rougher than a metal plate. Even at low loads the tyre deforms to key into the irregularities in the road, so increasing the load has a lesser effect. That's why you get the sub-linear dependance described in the Wikipedia article. And anyway, if by "grip" you mean grip when cornering, the grip isn't just controlled by the contact patch area. ...the reason why wider tires are chosen is because they last longer than thin ones! Italics cos it’s quoted from a couple of sources and not my original words. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyre_load_sensitivity
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Also, Engineering Explained annoys the shit out of me. He does a great job of explaining some fundamentals, but his tests are never anything CLOSE to properly scientific. I wouldn't mind that so much if people understood this, but instead people treat his test results like gospel, whereas any proper researcher would LAUGH at the suggestion that his test results were truly accurate. It isn't his fault, as he doesn't have the resources to do a proper test, but that doesn't mean we should just ignore the fact that some of his tests are almost silly in how unscientific they are. They're just meant to be interesting tests that attempt to get some sort of standardized result, but they're FAR from accurate, and they are always hawked as the be-all, end-all of a debate. The video you linked is a particularly egregious example.
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It's not just about the tire load, it has much to do with the shape of the contact patch on a wider tire. A wider contact patch has more lateral stiffness than a narrow/tall contact patch during cornering. Education and knowledge is infinite, it's up to you to decide not to stop once you have seen a poor youtube video. |
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