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04-30-2018, 08:10 PM | #43 | |
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To me connected is a purely feel term, not quantifiable and hard to explain (English is not my first language btw).
I haven't had the opportunity to have driven as many sports cars as you over the last few decades, but at the very least a few things I found much more "connected" were cable throttle, hydraulic steering, and 4 wheel double wishbone suspension. The two cars I drove almost daily when I was much younger in the 90's was a '96 Integra and a '89 Accord both fully stock. The BRZ is much more quiet and well sorted ride than those two, yet I much prefer the former. The drive by wire throttle and electric steering just don't feel the same. NVH in car development has gone to the point where maybe it just gotten too good. As I got older I've had a chance to drive a 986 Boxster and 996 Carrera 4 and I found both cars to be terrible with both steering and shifting, and felt stupidly heavy when cornering yet with almost no body roll. I also have short legs and Asian physique so maybe I'm just not a German car guy. To me precision and even MSRP have nothing to do with the connected feel per se. If there is a deadstock Honda Integra DC2 Type R I would gladly trade my BRZ for it in a heartbeat, even tho the BRZ is technically a MUCH better performer in a lot of ways. Last edited by krayzie; 04-30-2018 at 09:51 PM. |
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Might want to read what I wrote. It's the other way around just in case you missed it. But I'm glad you realized the 86 is a cheap car. Sorry had too. The set up was too perfect. Any who this thread has long been derailed, or beaten half to death. Which ever came first. I'll best be on my way.
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I didn't disagree with the notion that the twins are not for drag races. However, the 0-60 times for your Ford Transit is 6.8 and the manual twins time is 6.1. You still lose. That was the point!!!! You did make the statement that vans were faster at 0-60 -- and they are not. The twins auto is slightly slower, but then autos with stability control are tested without raising rpm's. And the vast majority of twins sold are manuals....
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someone mentioned check the arms, the mechanic did check them and said all is fine, i had a focus st before this and it had sensitive steering and i became used to it, just feels like the brz is much more sensitive. i'm going to try a few things that were recommended and see how that works out. thanks for all the input! |
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Its a freaking van for crying out loud. If you are so hung up on the 0-60 times why did you buy a twin? You want to debate, on the internet, a less than a one second 0-60 time? You want to tell me I lose? really? I think you might need to take a little stock of your life and what the important things are. Isn't there a forum somewhere where someone is discussing if Superman is tougher than Batman? |
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Those Honda cars had body roll but their double wishbone suspension created a sunk in stable feeling mid corner and rolling over never ever crossed my mind, not even the '99 Civic EX I drove later on. They were not sloppy especially with decent tires. The BRZ could only replicate that feeling once I installed the STI flexible draw stiffeners (used in conjunction with the flexible tower bar). I guess we just have to agree to disagree. |
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lolwat? Really? The Auto is not a great transmission? From my understanding its derived from Lexus to start with and have you ever hit your sports button and or gone full manual with it and actually tried driving it in anger? Even in just sports mode it will hold higher gears at higher RPMS and if you simply mash the gas from standing it will smoothly change up redlining each gear! The paddle shifters might not be as sharp at swapping cogs as a DCT, but it’s really not far off at all and you have none of the low speed shenanigans that DCT’s are notorious for. Also worth noting the only difference between the manual and auto with MY16 and older is the gearing being longer in the auto otherwise same power, torque and 4.1 FD ratio. Only with the MY17’s did the manual gain a tiny amount of extra power via a new manifold / tune and then gained better step off and a little faster acceleration from a 4.3 FD ratio upgrade. If only I could take you for a spin in mine after the Cusco 4.556 FD mod. It became more or less as fast as the older manual with that one mod. Probably the best bang for your buck mod imo (for so many reasons).
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The on center steering is very direct. I would describe it as finger tip-y, small inputs are translated to the road immediately.
A lot of newer cars have similar direct on center steering but are numbed out with various steering modes that make the car feel more stable at higher speeds. |
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