Some recent observations..

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

I'm not sure what this TSB or whatnot is but can't you just import it and swap it in?

It's a TCM reflash

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Cole

It's a TCM reflash

So for ECU? Swap ecu, or get it tuned right?

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

So for ECU? Swap ecu, or get it tuned right?

No, it's separate from the ECU

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by Cole

No, it's separate from the ECU

Shitty

[Sarlacc]

Originally Posted by Cole

...Though, I think the AT has more quirks than the MT at this point, until Toyota Canada decides to introduce that stupid TSB for the AT that all the 'Mericans get.

You're referring to the hard downshift issue? I've never had that. Or any other problems. Haven't even heard any crickets!
My dealer here in Norway says there are no and have never been any TSB's and my car ('13 GT86 A/T) has all the latest software.
And since I have no technical or software problems whatsoever, apart from a minor issue with the satnav (was fixed), I don't feel entitled to complain...
So I don't know. There's something weird going on, for sure.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

You're referring to the hard downshift issue? I've never had that. Or any other problems. Haven't even heard any crickets!
My dealer here in Norway says there are no and have never been any TSB's and my car ('13 GT86 A/T) has all the latest software.
And since I have no technical or software problems whatsoever, apart from a minor issue with the satnav (was fixed), I don't feel entitled to complain...
So I don't know. There's something weird going on, for sure.

From what I've seen, it's all 2015+ who have the issue. My pal, @drewbot has a '13 (I think) AT and he's never had the problem, like yourself.

It's very weird, and sometimes it doesn't happen at all, even when switching from D to M and back again. But the other day, I was driving along, in M and my downshifts were fine. All of a sudden, my stereo stopped playing over USB, I approached a stop light and then I got the hard/rear wheel locking downshift. Weirdest thing ever.

The guys on here who have the TSB done say it fixed their problems. Maybe there was a slight change to the TCM logic for '15 and on, but that also seems weird.

I suggest everyone put their tin-foils hats on and dig up any inconsistencies they find from Toyota and Subaru for differences across model years.

When I first noticed it happening, it made me very mad that my brand new car was having this problem, and none of the techs at my dealership are well-versed enough in the FRS to know how the tranny should behave. Plus the service manager is very, very keen on not helping me out with this problem, so I've just decided to live with it and dump the car as soon as trade-in value can pay off the remainder of my finance.

[Sarlacc]

Originally Posted by Cole

From what I've seen, it's all 2015+ who have the issue. My pal, @drewbot has a '13 (I think) AT and he's never had the problem, like yourself.

It's very weird, and sometimes it doesn't happen at all, even when switching from D to M and back again. But the other day, I was driving along, in M and my downshifts were fine. All of a sudden, my stereo stopped playing over USB, I approached a stop light and then I got the hard/rear wheel locking downshift. Weirdest thing ever.

Aha, that 2015+ thing has eluded my notice, thanks!

Your experience there sounds like an electrical problem in the car, affecting both systems? Something like a voltage surge, perhaps?
I mean, the stereo has nothing to do with the TCM.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

Aha, that 2015+ thing has eluded my notice, thanks!

Your experience there sounds like an electrical problem in the car, affecting both systems? Something like a voltage surge, perhaps?
I mean, the stereo has nothing to do with the TCM.

Could be, or the stereo thing could have just been an isolated incident. I don't have the patience to chase electrical gremlins, my service manager has told me to go fuck myself and I'm over the car for the transmission woes I'm having. What a wonderful scion experience.

[Don Ivey]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Put a spacer under where the front of the seat attaches. That'll lift the front. Might compromise safety. I suppose you could have a wedge spacer machined if you wanted it all shiny and nice instead of washers

This. Use some washers until you get it where you want it.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Don Ivey

This. Use some washers until you get it where you want it.

Yes, but keep in mind that, if you put very many washers under there, you may need longer bolts ...... but, you figured that .......


humfrz

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Cole

Could be, or the stereo thing could have just been an isolated incident. I don't have the patience to chase electrical gremlins, my service manager has told me to go fuck myself and I'm over the car for the transmission woes I'm having. What a wonderful scion experience.

Originally Posted by Cole

From what I've seen, it's all 2015+ who have the issue. My pal, @drewbot has a '13 (I think) AT and he's never had the problem, like yourself.

It's very weird, and sometimes it doesn't happen at all, even when switching from D to M and back again. But the other day, I was driving along, in M and my downshifts were fine. All of a sudden, my stereo stopped playing over USB, I approached a stop light and then I got the hard/rear wheel locking downshift. Weirdest thing ever.

The guys on here who have the TSB done say it fixed their problems. Maybe there was a slight change to the TCM logic for '15 and on, but that also seems weird.

I suggest everyone put their tin-foils hats on and dig up any inconsistencies they find from Toyota and Subaru for differences across model years.

When I first noticed it happening, it made me very mad that my brand new car was having this problem, and none of the techs at my dealership are well-versed enough in the FRS to know how the tranny should behave. Plus the service manager is very, very keen on not helping me out with this problem, so I've just decided to live with it and dump the car as soon as trade-in value can pay off the remainder of my finance.

Originally Posted by Sarlacc

You're referring to the hard downshift issue? I've never had that. Or any other problems. Haven't even heard any crickets!
My dealer here in Norway says there are no and have never been any TSB's and my car ('13 GT86 A/T) has all the latest software.
And since I have no technical or software problems whatsoever, apart from a minor issue with the satnav (was fixed), I don't feel entitled to complain...
So I don't know. There's something weird going on, for sure.

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

Shitty

Originally Posted by Cole

No, it's separate from the ECU

Originally Posted by Cole

It's a TCM reflash

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

I'm not sure what this TSB or whatnot is but can't you just import it and swap it in?

Originally Posted by Cole

I've also adjusted my seat to this video.

When I was buying, I test drove the MT and at first I didn't like the gearbox, but then by the time I was back on the street the dealership was on, I was very happy with it, and found some of the more common "quirks" about it.

Ended up buying the AT (long story about a girl who is no longer part of my life) and I'm still finding I have to modify my driving habits to get the most of it. Though, I think the AT has more quirks than the MT at this point, until Toyota Canada decides to introduce that stupid TSB for the AT that all the 'Mericans get.

I literally had the hard downshift at 400 miles of owning the car and was so damn angry because the service attendants and manager all said it was "normal" even though the mechanic said it wasn't. It was the most aggravating thing instead of them actually trying to contact someone else higher up to get some help for it they just said it was normal. Then the TSB comes out, I print it out and they say oh I guess Toyota figured it out so I go on tech-stream and upload it for the forum and everyone else with the same damn ridiculous TCM problem. The problem is the logic doesn't communicate properly so they update the software in the TCM from AQF5DC70 to AQF5DCB0. Personally, it feels completely better now the shifts in manual mode are slightly quicker, and in drive it's smoother, not only that the low/weird idle is completely gone and no more failure to rev match. I hope canada gets it soon.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

I literally had the hard downshift at 400 miles of owning the car and was so damn angry because the service attendants and manager all said it was "normal" even though the mechanic said it wasn't. It was the most aggravating thing instead of them actually trying to contact someone else higher up to get some help for it they just said it was normal. Then the TSB comes out, I print it out and they say oh I guess Toyota figured it out so I go on tech-stream and upload it for the forum and everyone else with the same damn ridiculous TCM problem. The problem is the logic doesn't communicate properly so they update the software in the TCM from AQF5DC70 to AQF5DCB0. Personally, it feels completely better now the shifts in manual mode are slightly quicker, and in drive it's smoother, not only that the low/weird idle is completely gone and no more failure to rev match. I hope canada gets it soon.

At this point for me now, it's slightly less the fact that it's happening, but more about the service I've been provided. The tech who went on a test drive with me said something to the tune of "well, it's normal, plus you can't downshift a manual into first above 15, so that's why it's happening on your auto" the conversation then quickly devolved when he struck my last nerve and I straight up said "you clearly know nothing about this car, can I go for a drive with another tech?"

And since then, whenever it's brought up, the argument where you can't do it in an MT means you can't do it in an auto. They still haven't been able to describe why it won't rev-match and jerky shifts happen during the scenario. Just really waiting for the day when I go for an oil change or something and the owner of the dealership is finally in so that I can get some actual answers for why I'm being treated this way by the service department.

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Cole

At this point for me now, it's slightly less the fact that it's happening, but more about the service I've been provided. The tech who went on a test drive with me said something to the tune of "well, it's normal, plus you can't downshift a manual into first above 15, so that's why it's happening on your auto" the conversation then quickly devolved when he struck my last nerve and I straight up said "you clearly know nothing about this car, can I go for a drive with another tech?"

And since then, whenever it's brought up, the argument where you can't do it in an MT means you can't do it in an auto. They still haven't been able to describe why it won't rev-match and jerky shifts happen during the scenario. Just really waiting for the day when I go for an oil change or something and the owner of the dealership is finally in so that I can get some actual answers for why I'm being treated this way by the service department.

I'm kind of surprised we've had similar experiences, you should explain that on other 2014s and 2013s driven don't have that issue and he's trying to get out of fixing it or flashing a new tcm logic. Also if it was a case of "can't downshift...." it just wouldn't let you downshift in the first place outright, these techs are complete idiots. Also you've probably already done this but print out the attached pdf for next visit and ask them if they could flash it anyway even though it's US related.

[Cole]

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

I'm kind of surprised we've had similar experiences, you should explain that on other 2014s and 2013s driven don't have that issue and he's trying to get out of fixing it or flashing a new tcm logic. Also if it was a case of "can't downshift...." it just wouldn't let you downshift in the first place outright, these techs are complete idiots. Also you've probably already done this but print out the attached pdf for next visit and ask them if they could flash it anyway even though it's US related.

Already tried it at my last oil change. They said "lol, fuck you, that's American"