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For the record I love them both, but right now I am sorta leaning toward the Miata as being the true 'driver's/enthusiast' car, as its small size and light weight really create an intimate experience with the road -- not to mention its impracticality really makes it more like a toy than a car, if that makes any sense... as a non-enthusiast would never put up with it. Edit -- the Miata is my new DD as due to $$$ I had to part with the FR-S for now... $$$ and the fact that my true DD right now is the bus, (workplace moved me from a free parking place to a new $17 a day place) and watching the FR-S sit 4-5 days a week broke my heart. Last edited by Jond63; 06-04-2015 at 02:25 PM. |
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None of this is really new at all. The FR-S/BRZ is the new 240sx. The Miata is the new... Miata (and little brother to the S2000... lighter & less powerful).
They are different cars. Vastly different suspension/engine placement/weight/handling philosophy. The only things that they have in common are that they are relatively affordable & meant to handle well and be "driver's cars"... |
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Cars are usually designed and developed around two or three tire choices right off the bat. They could have easily went with something like Bridgestone RE series for example that's more fitting for a sports car and yet they didn't. I don't buy that fuel mileage standard requirement BS really. I remember reading car magazines like Road and Track, Car and Driver, and Motor Trend sometimes they would have base model comparison tests (at least back then they would make an effort to have the cars in similar trims). This is going back to the late 80's and throughout the 90's. Last edited by krayzie; 06-04-2015 at 05:53 PM. |
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^ that's all well and good, but it's just marketing...
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As an aside, I have a 2100lb MR2 so I get to sit back and laugh at all this Miata vs. 86 nonsense. Kudos to Mazda for making a better Miata. In the end though, it's still just a Miata. You either like that or you don't. Lots of body roll, not THAT lightweight, cramped interior that rubs against the side of your leg, engine in the wrong place, and ironically a now 53/47 weight distribution just like the 86. Funny nobody seems to be crying about that yet like they did with the FRS. 50/50 has always been a mythical marketing 'ideal' perpetuated by front engined manufacturers anyway. It's like how they call a Corvette 'mid-engine'. Lol. If you like the Miata platform, cool. Fun car. Enjoy. Let's not pretend it changes anything. People were using that same argument about the 86 too. |
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http://www.autonews.com/article/2015...utonews-weekly
Toyota CEO : In the run-up to the deal, he test drove Mazda's cars and said the MX-5 Miata was his hands-down favorite. "I really wanted to drive that car," the car-crazy Toyoda said. "That's a car I can really understand." |
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He's just saying it's his favorite Mazda, which makes sense.
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http://www.autoblog.com/2015/05/28/2...ibution-video/ But I agree with you, it's not ideal. However, I do think it is MUCH more ideal than having front-biased weight distribution. In reality, a mid-engine layout with a bit of rear bias (like the NSX) would provide maximum traction and be the best option overall. Something like 40/60 is ideal, but is just not realistic in a front-mid-engined car. It's also really important to note WHERE the mass is located. 50/50 weight distribution with most of the mass at the front and rear ends is nowhere near as good as 50/50 weight distribution with most of the mass towards the center of the car. |
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Still want to see one in person. I have to respect what Mazda is able to do with this car.
I still require rear seats (regardless of their small size) and I have no desire to own a topless car. Rent or borrow maybe, but, not to own. The FR-S suits me better. And not a fan of body roll in a car. |
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The article from my original post has a direct comparison on page 3: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/specs.html 52/48 for the ND, 55/45 for the BRZ. Whatever the "real" figures are, this at least tells you that the BRZ is more front-biased, if you assume MT didn't screw up the measurements. |
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