Source of petroleum? Dinosaurs? - NOT!

[wbradley]

There's lots of methane in the universe. Not formed the same way as trapped hydrocarbons in the Earth's crust. Don't get me started, in university my majors were organic chem/ microbio but I did particularly well in Astronomy. Also, lots of ammonia on Saturn, Uranus, Neptune I think.

[elBarto]

[ScoobsMcGee]

Originally Posted by stugray

According to the many worlds interpretation of QM, there would be an many almost-exact duplicates of this universe, many in which they DID decide to put a turbo in the 2017 BRZ & Zayn Malik is still in One Direction :-)

I intended to bring up multiverse theory depending upon what the response was. Bravo for beating me to it. Also, a turbo BRZ and One Direction being a complete group?!? Sounds like Utopia!

Disclaimer: I couldn't name a single One Direction song if you paid me. I'll be in the corner listening to Hyacinth House now.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by HunterGreene

I guess I don't see how this could be a "Good debate," as I don't think anyone would argue that forming complex hydrocarbon chains is something that is solely happening on life-bearing planets.

As Tcoat said, its just a idiom of the language that is incorrect, but accepted. It doesn't change anything or need to be proven correct or not. Just seems like wasted effort to debate this subject.

It doesn't need to be a debate.

@stugray is helping us shed light on a very complex subject.. which, as most complex subjects, requires a bit of conversation

Stu happens to like the most effective form of scientific conversation- the Socratic kind

Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

Disclaimer: I couldn't name a single One Direction song if you paid me. I'll be in the corner listening to Hyacinth House now.

Whatever Scoobs we all know you're a closet Belieber!

[ScoobsMcGee]

Originally Posted by Koa

Whatever Scoobs we all know you're a closet Belieber!

Something, something, baby, something ooooohh...

Lamborghini.

[stugray]

Originally Posted by wbradley

Stugray, you smokin' too much weed bro?.

Are you implying something based on my location?
To each his own combustible hydrocarbons.....

Originally Posted by ScoobsMcGee

Disclaimer: I couldn't name a single One Direction song if you paid me. I'll be in the corner listening to Hyacinth House now.

Same with me. The only reason I know about the subject at all is that Stephen Hawking made fun of it a few weeks ago.
Seemed appropriate to throw it out there as the majority of the people on this forum are 'of the younger crowd'.
Now all of you get off my lawn!

[Packofcrows]

this thread made me trip and drop the spaghetti out of my pockets again.

Better stop digging for dinosaurs and start saving to live on Pluto.

[wbradley]

Originally Posted by stugray

Are you implying something based on my location?
To each his own combustible hydrocarbons.....
!

Funny I never checked your location but it did occur to me you might be in CO, seriously.
I was chronic for years and finally decided to stop almost 2 years now. Still score a zipper for the wife every 2 to 3 months though.

[Packofcrows]

Originally Posted by rice_classic

wait wait wait wait...




There's an "optimal" cabin filter?!

Cabin Air Filter (Toyota Part SU003-02112 or Subaru Part 72880AJ010) courtesy opf Mr. @humfrz

For one that helps with 'odors,'

FRAM CF10285 Fresh Breeze Cabin Air Filter
I think??? ...

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by stugray

"Widely Believed" /= "Scientific fact"

I do not dispute that some of the petroleum on earth is from decomposed plant/animal material (way over 90% of the contribution would be plant), it is just a tiny portion of the total.

Again, IF petroleum comes from plants, where did all the hydrocarbons on Titan come from?

Originally Posted by Koa

Stu happens to like the most effective form of scientific conversation- the Socratic kind

My favorite form is the Sarcastic Method. You take an oath and everything.

[themadscientist]

Originally Posted by stugray

"Widely Believed" /= "Scientific fact"

It's science....

[stugray]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

My favorite form is the Sarcastic Method. You take an oath and everything.

If you were to distill down the organic material from the maximum number of monkeys one could possibly fit in even an enormous human's rectum, I doubt you could even get one quart of petroleum.
So that couldn't possibly account for all of the methane on titan.

Wait.. unless of course you have some condition that would allow room for an infinite # of monkeys (and at least a few copies of Shakespeare)

[Ultramaroon]

Originally Posted by stugray

If you were to distill down the organic material from the maximum number of monkeys one could possibly fit in even an enormous human's rectum, I doubt you could even get one quart of petroleum.
So that couldn't possibly account for all of the methane on titan.

Wait.. unless of course you have some condition that would allow room for an infinite # of monkeys (and at least a few copies of Shakespeare)

What if it was God's rectum?

[stugray]

Originally Posted by Ultramaroon

What if it was God's rectum?

What use would God have for a rectum?
Are you suggesting that the creator's digestive tract is less than 100% efficient?

Should we shift this debate to the origin of life?
Since I believe that "petroleum-like" substances exist throughout all planetary systems (and even in interstellar space) why would we believe that life first started here on a planet that is only a few billion years old?

It is far more likely to have originated elsewhere and rained down on this planet as single celled life forms.

I'll even bet that once we burrow down into Europa and have a look, we will find complex life-forms living in thermal vents almost identical to the type found on Earth.

The oceans of Europa are thought to contain more water than all of the water on the Earth (i.e. It's a REALLY BIG ocean).
Oh and there would be "Oil" there too.