CSG and RCE tag-team suspension Q&A thread! Ask us anything!

[gramicci101]

Springs, tires, and alignment.

[jvincent]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

What are the "staples" for making the car handle even better, bracing included. For Fox body Mustangs it was sub frame connectors, front strut tower brace and better springs.

What's this car's secret to "slot car" handling?

My two cents.

1. Good alignment. Add as much camber up front as you can with the OEM crash bolts, and make sure the back is even on both sides.

2. Rear sub frame bushings. I was surprised how much these changed the feel of the car. Much tighter.

3. Tires. I'm running 225/40/18 on 18 inch wheels and the handling is definitely improved. As an added bonus, the new tires are much quieter than the stock Primacies.

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by jvincent

2. Rear sub frame bushings. I was surprised how much these changed the feel of the car. Much tighter.

You mean these or these?

I've got the support outrigger bushings and it made a huge improvement in the amount of play in the drivetrain. I watched their video for the positive traction kit and the amount of flopping around the diff does convinced me to buy those instead.

[Bobblehead]

I should have said this in my first post, but this will be on a DD. I'd like to take it to a track or an autocross event every now and again, but my car will mainly be used for daily and spirited driving.

The rear subframe bushings are going to be the first thing I get and once the stock tires wear out I'll be getting wider tires. Are there any decently priced tires that you would reccomend?

Edit: @gramicci101 I don't know which one he meant, but I know both of them will make their way on to my car. Albeit with a little bit of sound deadening in the trunk to keep the girlfriend from complaining about noise.

[gramicci101]

Will you be getting wider wheels? If not, OEM size or 225/45-17s will do very nicely. People swear by the Michelin MPSS, but they're kind of pricey. Others use Continental DW or Hankook v12 and do just fine.

Get both sets of bushings, a Whiteline trans mount insert, and rear shift bushing and MTEC springs if you have a manual. They're all inexpensive and they make a huge difference.

[Bobblehead]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

Will you be getting wider wheels? If not, OEM size or 225/45-17s will do very nicely. People swear by the Michelin MPSS, but they're kind of pricey. Others use Continental DW or Hankook v12 and do just fine.

Get both sets of bushings, a Whiteline trans mount insert, and rear shift bushing and MTEC springs if you have a manual. They're all inexpensive and they make a huge difference.

I'm not sure yet. That all depends on budget and how this winter goes. 225/45R17 sounds pretty promising.

I'll be sure to pick those up too, thanks!

[jvincent]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

You mean these or these?

I've got the support outrigger bushings and it made a huge improvement in the amount of play in the drivetrain. I watched their video for the positive traction kit and the amount of flopping around the diff does convinced me to buy those instead.

I've actually got both installed .

[robtan]

So after a few track days and a lot of canyon carving I'm convinced the suspension is set up from the factory to my liking (just wish the brakes were). I would like a mild drop so that when i pick up my so CE28n wheels it doesn't look like I'm ready to take on the Dakar. These reasons are why I'm looking to RCE yellows. Everything I've read suggests these are the best option for me. Just want to verify:

Outside of being a tad stiffer (possibly) most of the handling characteristics should maintained right? Also, should i be worried about ground clearance? Los Angeles roads kind of suck, plus the driveway to my office is rather steep.

I have tried to get some seat time in other's cars who have RCE yellows, but time has been a constraint for me .

[finch1750]

Originally Posted by robtan

So after a few track days and a lot of canyon carving I'm convinced the suspension is set up from the factory to my liking (just wish the brakes were). I would like a mild drop so that when i pick up my so CE28n wheels it doesn't look like I'm ready to take on the Dakar. These reasons are why I'm looking to RCE yellows. Everything I've read suggests these are the best option for me. Just want to verify:

Outside of being a tad stiffer (possibly) most of the handling characteristics should maintained right? Also, should i be worried about ground clearance? Los Angeles roads kind of suck, plus the driveway to my office is rather steep.

I have tried to get some seat time in other's cars who have RCE yellows, but time has been a constraint for me .

The RCE are an even spring rate. To me it has made the car still rotate OK but is way less twitchy at the limit. I chose them over the Swift because I felt they were a bit more neutral which made me feel safer pushing it. If you like the car to rotate a lot then the Swifts may be a better choice as they are still staggered rates.

The RCEs have the lowest drop AFAIK (1 inch), but I don't think the swifts are much more if any.

[jonbonazza]

Originally Posted by finch1750

The RCE are an even spring rate. To me it has made the car still rotate OK but is way less twitchy at the limit. I chose them over the Swift because I felt they were a bit more neutral which made me feel safer pushing it. If you like the car to rotate a lot then the Swifts may be a better choice as they are still staggered rates.

The RCEs have the lowest drop AFAIK (1 inch), but I don't think the swifts are much more if any.

I love my swift spec-r's. With some LCAs and camber plates I think they will perform nicely until my driver mod "settles" and I save up for SRCs.

Oh and the drop on the spec-r's is 1.1"f and 1.0"r

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by Bobblehead

What are the "staples" for making the car handle even better, bracing included. For Fox body Mustangs it was sub frame connectors, front strut tower brace and better springs.

What's this car's secret to "slot car" handling?

A good alignment is something that should be done off the showroom floor IMO.

Tires of course make a huge difference. Emphasis should be on tire compound, not just wider tires.

The rest of it depends on how you plan to use the car.

For a "fun" daily driver I personally would do:
1. alignment (camber bolts at the least, possibly rear LCAs to get it perfect)
2. good summer tires (michelin PSS are a good option for a DD)
3. good springs (perhaps RCE Yellows)
4. good dampers (Bilstein HD or Koni Yellow)
5. rear subframe bushings and MAYBE a few others

That's really it. For a more track focused car I'd look into good quality coilovers with camber plates and as many bushings as I can. Then track time.

With regards to springs...there's a lot of talk about them negatively impacting handling and I think that's true most of time. But they're not all the same. Naturally I like our RCE Yellow and Tarmac springs, but Swifts and Eibach Pro-kit are okay too.

- Andy

[Racecomp Engineering]

Originally Posted by robtan

So after a few track days and a lot of canyon carving I'm convinced the suspension is set up from the factory to my liking (just wish the brakes were). I would like a mild drop so that when i pick up my so CE28n wheels it doesn't look like I'm ready to take on the Dakar. These reasons are why I'm looking to RCE yellows. Everything I've read suggests these are the best option for me. Just want to verify:

Outside of being a tad stiffer (possibly) most of the handling characteristics should maintained right? Also, should i be worried about ground clearance? Los Angeles roads kind of suck, plus the driveway to my office is rather steep.

I have tried to get some seat time in other's cars who have RCE yellows, but time has been a constraint for me .

You'll like the springs. Mild functional drop that still looks good, included bumpstops, and spring rates designed for handling.

- Andy

[Rocket.BRZ]

Hey guys I need an opinion on a bbk.

Here are my requirements

1. Rotors must fill the entire wheel (Rota torque 18)

2. I would prefer min brake dust

3. Yellow calipers

4. Track oriented


Build thread below

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=70941

[Racecomp Engineering]

The AP Racing endurance kit kicks ass on the track. Don't think you can get them in yellow though.

Stoptech is another good option and I think you can get those in any color.

Brake dust will depend on pad choice.

Sounds like a nice build.

- Andy