Collection of "Subaru axing BRZ" & "Subaru making next-gen BRZ" rumor threads...

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by sshole

Subaru's chassis refresh cycle is wonky, though. 1st gen Impreza is 1992-2000 (8 years), 2nd gen 2000-2007 (7 years), 3rd gen 2008-2014 (6 years).

Ah, but those numbers still support my conclusion ie: 6 year minimum run for the twins.

[wparsons]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I can agree with this. My only thing is that in order for it to remain a success, improvements need to be made, especially if other manufactures create direct competitors. As to what those improvements are, everybody will have their own opinion on what they think can be better. Some want more power, some want less weight, some want better factory tires, brakes etc etc. It will have to evolve though at some point. Just my opinion based on what I've seen from other cars.

And from a profit/manufacturing perspective, they want to change as little as needed while the car is still selling well and there aren't any real competitors.

With the rumoured competitors (nissan, kia, etc) it'll be interesting to see where this platform goes, but I wouldn't hold my breath for any huge changes until the next generation of it.

[strat61caster]

Thread making fun of speculation threads turns into another speculation thread.

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by TylerLieberman

I can agree with this. My only thing is that in order for it to remain a success, improvements need to be made, especially if other manufactures create direct competitors. As to what those improvements are, everybody will have their own opinion on what they think can be better. Some want more power, some want less weight, some want better factory tires, brakes etc etc. It will have to evolve though at some point. Just my opinion based on what I've seen from other cars.

As far as the rumor mill goes, I don't believe jack shit I see on any of these sites. Somebody is going to go ask the CEO of Toyota next week what are their future plans for Toyota and he'll reply with "hold on, I'm going to lunch at McDonalds, I'll be back to answer your question in 10 minutes". The same day, articles will be all over the web titled "Toyota files bankruptcy. Being bought out by McDonalds"

...obviously an extreme exaggeration but it's the truth. Somebody gets something out of context, makes an assumption on what the hidden message, if any, is and then makes some bullshit story on it and then everybody believes it.

Until I see confirmed proof that the FRS/BRZ will no longer be in the lineup for the upcoming MY, I won't believe it nor even waste the time to read any of this poorly fabricated articles.

Improvements are fine as long as the car's "soul" remains intact. Again, looking at the MX-5 as the model, there have not been huge changes to the "soul" over car, just improvements. Sure there's been different engines and such, but from the driver's seat it has always been a momentum-driven roadster that has owned the curves.

I hope to see the same for the 86. And I also hope it won't put on the weight like the Impreza lineup has done over the years: getting bigger and more bloated with each successive generation.

Keep it a Rwd 2dr coupe, keep the light weight, keep the handling, keep the MT option, and keep the lines. That's all I ask of Toybaru for the car: let it keep it's soul. If that means it eventually gets a different motor, or they make changes to the brake pads, tires, and wheels (within reason), that's fine. As long as at the end of the day it is still delivering the same kind of experience that sold us on it in the first place. After all, they managed to span decades between the AE86 and this and still kept the soul of the car even there.

[Rampage]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Thread making fun of speculation threads turns into another speculation thread.

But....but....ain't that what forums do best?

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

Improvements are fine as long as the car's "soul" remains intact.

But then you would have to define the "soul." Where does it reside? What attributes does it have? Is this something that can be clinically proven? Do cars really have souls, or is this an example of anthropomorphism? What if the car was ok with mods the way some people are, with tattoos and implants and piercings and whatnot? Would that make it more acceptable to mod your car? What if the car didn't want to be modded? Is changing the wheels a change to its soul, or is it as simple as you putting on a different pair of shoes in the morning?


I don't know, man. But it keeps me up at night.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Rampage

But....but....ain't that what forums do best?

As long as OP links it in the first post I'll be happy.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

As long as OP links it in the first post I'll be happy.

Request approved.™

[SirBrass]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

But then you would have to define the "soul." Where does it reside? What attributes does it have? Is this something that can be clinically proven? Do cars really have souls, or is this an example of anthropomorphism? What if the car was ok with mods the way some people are, with tattoos and implants and piercings and whatnot? Would that make it more acceptable to mod your car? What if the car didn't want to be modded? Is changing the wheels a change to its soul, or is it as simple as you putting on a different pair of shoes in the morning?


I don't know, man. But it keeps me up at night.

You can't whittle it down to mundane numbers. Otherwise this car would've been a flop. Remember, the numbers lied about how much fun this car is.

It's more of an art. Improvements made by engineers and designers who care about the totality of the car and the driving experience it delivers.

[gramicci101]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

You can't whittle it down to mundane numbers. Otherwise this car would've been a flop. Remember, the numbers lied about how much fun this car is.

It's more of an art. Improvements made by engineers and designers who care about the totality of the car and the driving experience it delivers.

I don't know. You could look at the power numbers, combined with the car's dimensions, gross vehicle weight, weight distribution, drivetrain setup, gear ratios, and spring rates, and come to a pretty reasoned conclusion that the car would be a lot of fun to drive.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by gramicci101

I don't know. You could look at the power numbers, combined with the car's dimensions, gross vehicle weight, weight distribution, drivetrain setup, gear ratios, and spring rates, and come to a pretty reasoned conclusion that the car would be a lot of fun to drive.

Some others that might be useful

- steering rack ratio, feel, and response
- CG height and polar moment of inertia
- damper plots
- roll bar rates and suspension design
- torque plot

I do agree though, much of what makes a car fun or good to drive can be quantified in this day and age.

Edit: Thinking about it some more, some things may be harder to quantify like shift feel, brake feel, seating position, and visibility.

[vh_supra26]

Originally Posted by MokSpeed

Nice, I'm actually impressed. I just clicked back 50 pages and picked a random thread and said two words from it.

I just put acceleration into the keyword. Put it as "Title only" than everything with acceleration in the title shows up. Than I go to my browser "Chrome" and click on the "find it" and type in "uneven" and it only shows one match. All it all it took me like 50 seconds.

[airjonny]

Hey my thread made it! Lol.

[mav1178]

Updated first post and thread title to reflect newer rumors.

-alex