More power desires may be doomed

[raven1231]

Originally Posted by Darkone

I have not bought a BRZ yet. However, I am contemplating buying one very soon. I used to own a SRT4 which did the quarter in around 14 seconds stock and it was fast enough. If we are going what 14.9 we throw a turbo on it for 5k I am guessing we would all be around 14 seconds quarter mile right? That's friggin fast enough for a car that looks this good and this fun to drive...is my calculation off?

You will be much faster than 14 in the 1/4 mile with a 5k turbo kit

[Darkone]

Originally Posted by raven1231

You will be much faster than 14 in the 1/4 mile with a 5k turbo kit

Under 14 with just a 5k turbo kit? What honestly should one expect to run the quarter for a 5k turbo kit, tune, full exhaust and intake?

If under 14 thats the same speed as a SRT4, Cobalt SS, Mazda Speed 3, approximately the same as a WRX and EVO also..

Sounds like power problem solved. In fact I would think that most people would not want them to make a more powerful version because than our cars would be the "weaker" version and the price would decline further. Also, if they stop making them it will become more desired. Take Pontiac GTO produced for a couple years and now the prices dont seem to drop further than 22k for a 2005 or 2006 version!

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Ganthrithor

IIRC it was some stupid law about tips extending past the bumper surfaces or something. The JDM tips poke. Yeah, the stock exhaust looks like shit.



Haha, yeah, never-not redline this car. The engine gets pretty happy at the top end.

I, too, am spoiled by better sounds. I'm really not sure what to do with my car. I've got a resonated Milltek catback on it right now that sounds good (it's similar in character to the stock exhaust, but a bit louder and a little bassier / more rumbly / growly, especially in the bottom half of the tach under load). Unfortunately because it maintains a similar overall sound to the stock exhaust, it still sounds a bit characterless (especially at high rpms once it stops growling) and it's a little quiet. I'm really at a loss regarding what to do, since it's nice to have an exhaust that's not too loud on your daily driver, but it's also a little boring at times.

Unfortunately, after listening to god knows how many clips of various exhaust setups on youtube it seems like your options with this car basically boil down to:

- EL headers and louder exhaust: sounds like every generic ricer car ever.

- UEL headers and "make it sound like an STI": I think the thundering rumble suits the WRXs, but just seems out of place on a a high-strung engine that makes no torque.

IDK, even the old Porsche 912s (another boxer 4) sounded better than our cars. The Elise with a little 1.8L I4 sounds better than our cars. Surely there must be a way to make them sound less boring without making them sound like a ricer Civic or a WRX. I hope I can figure it out sometime, otherwise I might have to give in to my Porsche temptations and just get that flat-six sound.

Yeah it is a bit strange to hear the Subaru rumble on the FR-S. Even in the youtube vids, I expect to see a WRX or STI, not the Twins. Haha, but it does sound good. If someone posts a video of the Perrin CBE (I have this exhaust) + OFH and it's not too loud, I'll probably go that route myself.

By the way, I tried looking up a video of the Milltek resonated exhaust. Deeper sounding than I was expecting!

[a2cpc]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

1) smoothly downshift 1-2 gears (depending on current speed, current tach, and desired accel... basically your target tach when the clutch re-engages is to be ABOVE the torque dip)
2) smoothly apply throttle (all the way to WOT if needed, and if you were that slow to clue in that you were getting passed by an econobox)
3) extend vision ahead and check for traffic clearance
4) swiftly pass offending grocery getter with delusions of grandeur
5) profit

This works well as long as the grocery getter driver isn't looking in his rearview mirror. If he/she is and sees you initiating your maneuver he can simply accelerate and drive away.

[SirBrass]

Not really

On phone I am. Therefore, if mistakes I make, Frank Oz blame you should.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Originally Posted by CoolBReeZe

Though disappointed, I choose to think that our cars are increasingly rare and thus much more valuable!

Is the car still being made?



Delusions. You have them.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by lsxiong

If Toyota was smart about it in the beginning, they should've built the current version they have now and built a more powerful version for the "others".

Just like having Supra NAs and Supra Turbos.
Celica NAs and Celica All-Tracs
Regular Celicas and Celica GT-S with VVTL-i
MR2 NAs and MR2 Turbos

You keep forgetting the world now is ruled by bean counters, cost cutting, and shareholder dividends. The twins project also started a few years before the global economy tanked.

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by SirBrass

What I do NOT understand is why the rest of the world's GT86's and BRZ's get exhaust tips to match the valences, while North America FR-S's and BRZ's get these dinky exhaust tips. It's not that the axlebacks are different (they're not), just the tips. Why have an entirely different cosmetic part just for one part of the world? And one that absolutely uglifies the car for no legal reason (unlike the orange sidemarkers, which are ugly as hell on these cars but are there b/c of Federal regulations here in the US).

The tips are small because of US federal laws too I beleive. Or at least to not get sued.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/12/23/m...advertent-tat/

Nanny state

[Rayme]

Originally Posted by lsxiong

If Toyota was smart about it in the beginning, they should've built the current version they have now and built a more powerful version for the "others".

Just like having Supra NAs and Supra Turbos.
Celica NAs and Celica All-Tracs
Regular Celicas and Celica GT-S with VVTL-i
MR2 NAs and MR2 Turbos

..and all those cars also failed to sell enough to be kept alive.

[red_comet]

Originally Posted by AeroWRX

Toyota's biggest mistake was putting a Scion badge on this car. Second mistake was expecting a larger sell rate than they are getting when they sacrificed to take a hit to sales in order to revitalize Scion.

What demographic can pay 25k for a scion? Certainly not the highschool and poor college kids... The well off kids with Daddy's money would buy a $$$ car not a Scion. Who actually buys this car??? Ppl with a full time job and dads who want to relive their rubber burning days

I drive one. 29, college educated, employed, married, no kids, white. What demographic does that push me into? No idea, but you just generalized the hell out of a lot of people on this forum.

[JS + BRZ]

Originally Posted by red_comet

I drive one. 29, college educated, employed, married, no kids, white. What demographic does that push me into? No idea, but you just generalized the hell out of a lot of people on this forum.

What the. . I'm exactly the same. .lol

Sent from my SCH-I605

[red_comet]

Originally Posted by JS + BRZ

What the. . I'm exactly the same. .lol

Sent from my SCH-I605

I see what you did there

[FastWhite]

Lot of good arguments on both sides. As always, very entertaining reading here.
I am 57, traded my fully modded STU STI for the BRZ. With the STI I was always looking for better handling. Yes,more power is nice.
The BRZ, put some sticky rubber on it and it out handles the STI. My opinion.

But I also had a love/ hate relationship with Fiat X1/9's. Those cars lived at 7000rpm all day long. Again need more power.
Subaru had a lot of waranty issue with the STI, UEL header issues, where cylinder 2&4 would always run hot. Throw in a ring land manufacturing defect equals blown engine. Now we demos the car,


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[FastWhite]

Opps. Now we demod the car, take it to dealer for a new free motor on warranty. Subaru will try to deny the claim, blah blah blah and on. See the point
The BRZ is a VERY good platform for modding. But more power is needed. So you FI it. Guess what, no arguments that the motor is modded. No warranty fights either.
I have the A/T. My last autocross I found that the ECU had learned my driving style and provided me with more torque. No longer had to shift into first for 180's. Launches were great.
This car has it. It needs to be worked like an S2000 that can rev up to 9000 rpm. How well was that rev level received initially. People bitched.
If you want a muscle car buy one. If you want a SPORTS CAR buy this or a Ferrari.
Rant done


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