New 276hp Civic type R vs FRS/BRZ

[PSJohnDoe]

So far, what I've seen of upgraded models of the twins haven't been very impressive. Between the 10 series and the tS models, I don't like the way they're allocating the additional money from the inflated price. Personally, I'd much rather see them offer a factory menu where you can pick and choose the upgrades than give us what they think we want.
Upgraded 10 series push to start and dual climate? Yes, please.
Upgraded headlights and fogs? Yes, please.
Lit badges, Scion logo projectors, and kid's lightsaber inspired shifter knob? No, thank you.

It's time to turn dealerships into automobile dispensing Burger Kings.

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by PSJohnDoe

So far, what I've seen of upgraded models of the twins haven't been very impressive. Between the 10 series and the tS models, I don't like the way they're allocating the additional money from the inflated price. Personally, I'd much rather see them offer a factory menu where you can pick and choose the upgrades than give us what they think we want.
Upgraded 10 series push to start and dual climate? Yes, please.
Upgraded headlights and fogs? Yes, please.
Lit badges, Scion logo projectors, and kid's lightsaber inspired shifter knob? No, thank you.

It's time to turn dealerships into automobile dispensing Burger Kings.

You obviously haven't been following actual 86 development much, so allow me to educate you.

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...809-2rleu.html

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y18bo5IYE50"]86 TRD Griffon Concept 2nd test - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGFHgbe0Epw"]86 TRD Griffon Concept（タイãƒ*アタックãƒ*ービー） - YouTube[/ame]


Those others are special edition packages, not 'upgrades. The upgraded 86 isn't out till 2015 at the earliest.

And why the hell would you ever eat at Burgerking??
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Smoke the twins all over? I swear, some comments are from people that don't know why they bought an 86 or don't own one. I highly doubt that fat blob Civic is going to even best the Renault's magical/questionable Nur time. See if it can even keep up w/ the 2015 300hp Golf R w/ 4 motion and DSG or next years 3100lb Mustang that's just a bit bigger than the 86.

The rest of us that own an 86 and know what we bought and what it can do don't give a rat's ass about the Civic Type R. I also don't care about any car over 2800lbs for a DD personally. The next Stang is still 300lbs over my threshold.

[PSJohnDoe]

Originally Posted by Anaxilus

You obviously haven't been following actual 86 development much, so allow me to educate you.
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Those others are special edition packages, not 'upgrades. The upgraded 86 isn't out till 2015 at the earliest.
...

And why the hell would you ever eat at Burgerking??
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Sorry, I was using this definition of upgrade...

up·grade [n. uhp-greyd; adj., adv. uhp-greyd; v. uhp-greyd, uhp-greyd] Show IPA noun, adjective, adverb, verb, up·grad·ed, up·grad·ing.
noun
1.
an incline going up in the direction of movement.
2.
an increase or improvement: an upgrade in the year's profit forecast.
3.
a new version, improved model, etc.: The company is offering an upgrade of its sports sedan.
4.
an increase or improvement in one's service, accommodations, privileges, or the like: If the ship isn't full we'll receive an upgrade to a deluxe stateroom.
5.
something, as a piece of equipment, that serves to improve or enhance: a full range of upgrades available for your computer.

While we're at it, let me introduce you to another definition...

a·nal·o·gy [uh-nal-uh-jee] Show IPA
noun, plural a·nal·o·gies.
1.
a similarity between like features of two things, on which a comparison may be based: the analogy between the heart and a pump.
2.
similarity or comparability: I see no analogy between your problem and mine.
3.
Biology . an analogous relationship.
4.
Linguistics .
a.
the process by which words or phrases are created or re-formed according to existing patterns in the language, as when shoon was re-formed as shoes, when -ize is added to nouns like winter to form verbs, or when a child says foots for feet.
b.
a form resulting from such a process.
5.
Logic. a form of reasoning in which one thing is inferred to be similar to another thing in a certain respect, on the basis of the known similarity between the things in other respects.

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by PSJohnDoe

Sorry, I was using this definition of upgrade...



While we're at it, let me introduce you to another definition...

No, not really. You're obfuscating your strawman comparison to save e-peen face. Let me introduce you to something the Greeks the came up w/ a couple thousand years ago.

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic"]Logic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

If you knew anything about it, you wouldn't be talking about analogies and logic in the same sentence. Feel free to look up incoherent, fallacious, uninformed, insecure, nutrition.

[PSJohnDoe]

Alright back to the original topic, clearly his e-peen is greater than mine.


Let me know if you need the definition of sarcasm, I'll PM you.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by Anaxilus

You obviously haven't been following actual 86 development much, so allow me to educate you.

http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/t...809-2rleu.html

Those others are special edition packages, not 'upgrades. The upgraded 86 isn't out till 2015 at the earliest.

And why the hell would you ever eat at Burgerking??
____

Smoke the twins all over? I swear, some comments are from people that don't know why they bought an 86 or don't own one. I highly doubt that fat blob Civic is going to even best the Renault's magical/questionable Nur time. See if it can even keep up w/ the 2015 300hp Golf R w/ 4 motion and DSG or next years 3100lb Mustang that's just a bit bigger than the 86.

The rest of us that own an 86 and know what we bought and what it can do don't give a rat's ass about the Civic Type R. I also don't care about any car over 2800lbs for a DD personally. The next Stang is still 300lbs over my threshold.

none of the what the factory backed race car you showed is available through a dealership so i think his point is a valid one. and this civic is all but guaranteed to smoke the twins. when it comes down to your speculation vs hondas, ill take honda but even then i realize it doesnt take much to be faster than the frs. some people are okay with that and dont get offended when people bring information about new cars to the table. the frs is great for what it is but its not unreasonable for a company to make a faster car.

[Anthony]

[R3d]

Originally Posted by hmong337

If it had to be a Civic... my choice would be this

same

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by fatoni

none of the what the factory backed race car you showed is available through a dealership so i think his point is a valid one. and this civic is all but guaranteed to smoke the twins. when it comes down to your speculation vs hondas, ill take honda but even then i realize it doesnt take much to be faster than the frs. some people are okay with that and dont get offended when people bring information about new cars to the table. the frs is great for what it is but its not unreasonable for a company to make a faster car.

First, you're wrong. The TRD side fins and quite a few other parts on the Griffon are available but that's besides the point. It's a platform for development of future product and modification, and to also show what the chassis is capable of for tuners and racers.

Second, 'bringing information' about a new car doesn't usually include saying unknown model X wrapped up in camo is going 'smoke' the twins. Do you also rely on crystal balls and Tarot cards for your data analysis? The Fiesta ST and Mustang don't 'smoke' the twins. However you decide to define 'smoke'.

Third, I'll pay attention when Honda actually makes something faster than their decades old CRX and Integra Type R. Could be soon since they are done effing around w/ robots and planes now. Still more than a year off from Formula 1. Regardless, while you salivate over Honda vaporware, I'm content to enjoy my 86 over the next few years living in the here and now. Real cars smoke ones that don't exist or can't be bought.

[DylanFRS]

Originally Posted by DaJo

Sorry, but still a Fail-Wheel-Drive...

Wow... a thread involving a FWD car where someone points out, in the first couple replies, that the comparison car is FWD? Never seen that one on this forum before...

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by fatoni

aside from this being another rwd/gt86 fanboy, fwd haters dream, its pretty cool that honda seems to care again.

Yep, it's been a while since Honda appeard to care about affordable sporty cars. Now about that S2000...

[thill]

I think this is good news. The more the merrier That said, would this car even be sold in the US?

[DaJo]

Originally Posted by DylanFRS

Wow... a thread involving a FWD car where someone points out, in the first couple replies, that the comparison car is FWD? Never seen that one on this forum before...

This is a comparison thread. Obviously you haven't been on here long enough to understand that.

[GMU-BRZ]

The ass end jumped out at me as being somewhat similar to the WRX spy shots we've been seeing. Maybe it's just the huge damn wing.. Dunno.