Ended up not getting a brz

[thill]

Originally Posted by NCItaly

The way I see it, you can add as much HP to a perfect, low center frame. But you can't change the frame on a high HP car.

However, if you plan to keep you car stock (or near stock), then you made the perfect choice for you.

For me, it's nice to have a car that people assume to know is not too quick and see the surprised look on their face after I slap a supercharger in.

That is what drove me to sell my Gencoupe for the BRZ. There were no amount of modification I could do to reduce weight to under 3K pounds, have a lower center of gravity, improve the crappy slushbox, and add more driver feedback to the handling.

That said, the Gencoupe is still a decent handling car. But driving it back to back with a BRZ on some windy roads and the difference between the design of the two cars is very apparent.

For the OP, if you want more power and more of a touring type of GT car the Gencoupe makes sense. The BRZ's suspension is definitely less forgiving and you are not going to feel the straighline performance of the Gencoupe without adding a supercharger or turbo to the twins.

[ThisIsChrisKim]

Originally Posted by tacoss23

He is just trying to be funny with "Sonata" comment, don't take it literally.

The truth is that it's in fact based on the Genesis chassis and engineering. It was not designed from the ground up to be a sports car, not even a tourer. Basically they grabbed the Chassis, R&D, engineering, production standards that were used to develop a sub $20k D class sedan and modified it to make a "sports coupe".

That's the big difference, and the reason it's so different than other options out there. And also the main reason people like us (enthusiast looking for driver's car) don't usually put a genesis right in the top of our list.

Your BRZ to Prius analogy is completely flawed and missed the point. A BRZ was a sports car designed from the ground up to meet that single goal and nothing else. A Prius is a complete different platform...a hybrid from Toyota.

On the other hand, the analogy of a Genesis Coupe to the Genesis Family Sedan is not, because it was in fact developed based on that platform.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's a horrible car, I just don't think it should be in the same shopping list of a BRZ/370z/MX-5. Or even a Mustang or Camaro (muscle cars designed for no other purpose than to doing exactly that), even though people compare the Genesis more often than not to those.

A Genesis Coupe has more to do with a Accord Coupe, Altima Coupe or Civic SI than any of those models, because it was a "sport version" of a platform designed to be something completely different (usually D class sedans).

The Genesis Coupe and 370Z are far more alike than dissimilar. Expensive, luxury car RWD platforms that were shrunken down for sports car duty. If anything, that is a huge plus in the NVH categories. Accord, Altima, and Civic comparisons are completely off-based here as none of those are substantially modified from their base platforms nor are they tuned substantially different than their standard counterparts.

[a2cpc]

I love the way people defend their FRS/BRZ as the seemingly perfect Sports car and all other cars are crap. Thy say how their FRS/BRZ is so much better on the track and how it is perfectly balanced and all. And how it may be slower in a straight line than the competitors but it isn't designed for that. Well...it is a good car for the track, but unless you bought the car to race and only drive it from to and from the track it is absolutely as average as any other small DD. Arguments can be made, and will be, I am sure, but as a DD it has negatives just like any other car. Just maybe different. For some it is the perfect car and having driven it I could easily live with it as a DD.

As far as quality and reliability, My son has a first generation Genesis Coupe. He really likes it as a highway cruiser, saying it is comfortable and has a good electronics package. Is it big and heavy, yep, no argument. Is it an average DD, yep.

He autocrosses and has some track days with the car and flails it regularly, because that is the way he is. He has only lost a few days in the years he has had it due to maintenance, so his car seems to be put together well.

Having driven the two, for kind of extended periods, I would prefer the Genesis for long road trips and the FRS/BRZ as a commuter. Your opinions may/will vary.

[DarkSunrise]

Presumably people bought the FR-S/BRZ because they thought it was the best choice for some combination of reasons (light, RWD, driver's car, whatever), so I can see why they'd defend it. I think that part is natural.

But I don't really understand all the hate towards the Genesis Coupe. Seems like a fine choice, although I've never driven one and am not really interested.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

But I don't really understand all the hate towards the Genesis Coupe. Seems like a fine choice, although I've never driven one and am not really interested.

Didn't you hear? Jesus himself personally drove a BRZ. He specifically said "Not the Scion though. Fucking Scions."
Alright, that should be enough to get someone riled up.

Lots of hate in this thread because people need to justify their own choice, and for some reason disrespect OP because of it. Congrats on the new car OP, and I hope you enjoy it.

[thill]

Well this is what happens when someone opens a thread on a BRZ/FR-S forum about buying a competing car. Honestly, I am not sure why feel the need to even open threads like this. I drove a whole bunch of cars before buying a sports coupe and I never felt the need to open threads on Mustang, Camaro, 370z, etc forums telling people that I decided to buy a BRZ instead....

It is called stirring the pot and is probably borderline trolling.

[ngabdala]

How is he trolling??? He's part of the community with or without a BRZ

So i ordered a blue metallic 6mt about 3 weeks ago and had my heart set on the brz ever since they came out. The deal was approved and got a good rate at 2.9%, BUT i drove my coworkers brz and just couldnt get over the lack of power. I planned on going with vortech but there are quite a few hurdles with tuning these cars so ended up not getting one. I know going to vet grief but went with a hyundai genisis coupe. Ill probably wait and see if a proper sti makes it way to the states. So if anyone looking for a brz dark blue manual in the houston are go talk to troy at west houston subaru.

Originally Posted by thill

Well this is what happens when someone opens a thread on a BRZ/FR-S forum about buying a competing car. Honestly, I am not sure why feel the need to even open threads like this. I drove a whole bunch of cars before buying a sports coupe and I never felt the need to open threads on Mustang, Camaro, 370z, etc forums telling people that I decided to buy a BRZ instead....

It is called stirring the pot and is probably borderline trolling.

[RurumariGhost]

my neighbor has a gen coupe with a tune and a few other mods (suspension, exhaust, tires to name a few), he loves it. I haven't had a chance to go out and run with him yet, but I anticipate we will. And he will destroy me in a straight line. Maybe in the turns I'll have a chance of keeping up with him. The difference between us? the brz is my DD, whereas his genny is a garage queen, and he dds a jeep. And both he and his girlfriend have commented about how jealous they are of my car though . The gen coupe is a nice car, I just chose the one I liked better. GL with your car OP

[thill]

Originally Posted by ngabdala

How is he trolling??? He's part of the community with or without a BRZ

So he opens a thread saying he did not get a BRZ because it was too slow and went with something else instead and even stated in his thread post that he knew he would get grief in this forum for the decision...

Um.. Okay. I guess I don't get the point in even posting this in the dedicated BRZ subforum. If you really feel the need to justify why you went with another car there is a subforum to discuss BRZ/FR-S vs other cars.

I just don't see what good can come from these types of threads in the owners subforum. Like I said if I opened a thread on a dedicated Mustang owner site in the owner subforum and stated I went with a BRZ because the Mustang felt like I was driving a barge, I would not expect Mustang owners to high five me for my choice.

[n2oinferno]

Originally Posted by thill

So he opens a thread saying he did not get a BRZ because it was too slow and went with something else instead and even stated in his thread post that he knew he would get grief in this forum for the decision...

Um.. Okay. I guess I don't get the point in even posting this in the dedicated BRZ subforum. If you really feel the need to justify why you went with another car there is a subforum to discuss BRZ/FR-S vs other cars.

I just don't see what good can come from these types of threads in the owners subforum. Like I said if I opened a thread on a dedicated Mustang owner site in the owner subforum and stated I went with a BRZ because the Mustang felt like I was driving a barge, I would not expect Mustang owners to high five me for my choice.

People post things in the wrong place all the time. I've done the mod thing before, and I've moved probably hundreds, if not into the thousands, of posts.

Generally I'd agree and say "The person is a part of the community whether they own the car or not." Take me, for example. It's something I'm considering, I spend a good amount of time here, and am fairly active. OP has three posts. So yeah, it's hard to gauge his intentions.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by n2oinferno

People post things in the wrong place all the time. I've done the mod thing before, and I've moved probably hundreds, if not into the thousands, of posts.

Generally I'd agree and say "The person is a part of the community whether they own the car or not." Take me, for example. It's something I'm considering, I spend a good amount of time here, and am fairly active. OP has three posts. So yeah, it's hard to gauge his intentions.

Yep - I was in a similar boat to the OP actually - I joined this forum when I thought I was going to purchase a BRZ Limited (probably GBS, but I was also considering LR). Then I test drove a used Cayman, and fell in love, despite the fact that up until that point, I was pretty much set on the BRZ. I stay here because I still like the BRZ as a car, and I enjoy the discussions.

(Of course, one key difference between my situation and the OPs is that I doubt anyone here will be telling me that my Cayman is a heavy, numb, unbalanced car built on a luxury platform)

[tacoss23]

Originally Posted by thill

Well this is what happens when someone opens a thread on a BRZ/FR-S forum about buying a competing car. Honestly, I am not sure why feel the need to even open threads like this. I drove a whole bunch of cars before buying a sports coupe and I never felt the need to open threads on Mustang, Camaro, 370z, etc forums telling people that I decided to buy a BRZ instead....

It is called stirring the pot and is probably borderline trolling.

The guy that started this thread probably didn't buy a Genesis, he probably didn't even buy anything...

I forgot where it was, but this study made by UT Austin found that close to 30%ish of people that are active and regular in internet forums of expensive products such as cars, jewelry, expensive electronics DON'T actually own any of those, nor have prospects of buying one (due financial reasons).

However they do desire to acquire these products and usually end up developing an obsession for such things (like for a BRZ for example). That combined with the inability to acquire such products results in frustration (hate) against the product/brand. Hence you have posts like this one, which is a psychological way of coping with the reality.

Not saying this very specific thread is that case, just that most threads like this one are usually by people that have insecurity issues and fall into that category described above.

Like you said, normal people don't go around wasting time in digging dip into forums of specific brands/products just to post controversial/hatin'/non relevant opinions.

[ZionsWrath]

It's ok for threads like this IMO. I got a call from a Hyundai dealer asking if I was still interested and I said no I bought another car. He asked what so I told him BRZ. It is good for us and the people lurking to know why people are going for or against the car.

Sure it could have been in the BRZ vs Gen thread but meh, people repost all day every day.

[ZionsWrath]

Originally Posted by tacoss23

The guy that started this thread probably didn't buy a Genesis, he probably didn't even buy anything...

I forgot where it was, but this study made by UT Austin found that close to 30%ish of people that are active and regular in internet forums of expensive products such as cars, jewelry, expensive electronics DON'T actually own any of those, nor have prospects of buying one (due financial reasons).

However they do desire to acquire these products and usually end up developing an obsession for such things (like for a BRZ for example). That combined with the inability to acquire such products results in frustration (hate) against the product/brand. Hence you have posts like this one, which is a psychological way of coping with the reality.

Not saying this very specific thread is that case, just that most threads like this one are usually by people that have insecurity issues and fall into that category described above.

Like you said, normal people don't go around wasting time in digging dip into forums of specific brands/products just to post controversial/hatin'/non relevant opinions.

LOL I would have thought the percentage much higher than that actually.