Ended up not getting a brz

[hanabie]

Originally Posted by thill

I don't think you have ever driven a Genesis Coupe. An Altima coupe is no comparison and to be fair to the Genesis Coupe, if you get the RSPEC even the 2.0 is faster than the FRZ around the track. The V6 is way faster.

The problem with the 370 is that it has no backseat. Neither does the MX-5. Not the OP, but that might be his consideration just lie it was mine.

The Gencoupe is a lot of car for the money. You can get the base 2.0 turbo for around $23K. I would take that anyday over an Altima coupe. The Gencoupe is more of an alternative to a V6 Mustang or V6 Camaro than anything else.

Never thought of putting people on the back seat when I'm getting coupe!
Friends: Can I get a ride? Your back seats fit 2 people right?
Me: Take bus?

[yarik83]

One thing to consider is that a lot of people, when buying cars, have needs and have wants and problem lies in the fact that you can't have both. You want a sports car but you need a car that you can fit your bags or family into. You buy either the car that you want or the car that you need but not both, unless of course you have deep pockets and can buy something like a 4 saloon on steroids.

I do not own a sports car anymore but I am considering and while I do have an FRS or BRZ on my radar, I also have to account for the fact that vehicle will cost me around 26 grand and first mod I would have to do is forced induction with exhaust upgrade which automatically places the car into 31 grand category. So yes... in a matter of speaking BRZ and FRS may be underpowered but you sort of have to consider all other options. They are lighter so upgrading HP will come with a benefit of increasing power to weight ratio. They are cheaper to insure and buy but it is like buying a toyota supra without that twin turbo that everyone wants.

I spent waaaaaaaaay too much money between 1999-2009 on car upgrades and in retrospect I wish I would have bought a ready out of the box setup. My car visited mechanics on a regular basis to fix this and that and the other.

I can see why OP may be interested in a different car but it also feels a little silly how he went around telling us about it. In his few posts he talks about wanting horse power and also being afraid to modify a daily driver and that he went to apply for a loan for BRZ before really taking one for a spin and seeing if it was worth it in the first place.

I have not driven neither of the 3 cars so I can't tell you what they feel but I know for a fact (from personal experience) that heavier cars with more horse power feel slower even though they may actually be faster. You just lose that sense of agility and I think this is what folks here are talking about. If your car handles like a mad bunny on steroids vs like an angry pouting lion... it makes one heck of a difference.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Scalzo

FAIL.
I did the same back when the twins first came out. My last second switch was because I wanted a TURBO car. Worst car you can buy is a hyundai, they look nice dont get me wrong, but they handle like shit compared to the twins. I smashed my Genny and I wasn't even doing anything bad, a little bit of rain on the floor, I was rolling 50KM/h pressed the gas a bit and the thing spun out of control. Wasn't the first time. Smashed that shit and got the FRS never going to anything else. Plus the gennys are just as fast as the FRS in a straight line. Frs on the turns are quicker, and tail happy atleast you can control it. But in the end its your decision.

So the genesis handles badly because you're a terrible driver and spun it out in the rain? Also, your response to spinning out and damaging a rwd car was to buy another tail-happy rwd car? Something is wrong here, but it isn't with the Genesis...

Also, the GenCoupe is definitely faster than the twins in a straight line - even if it's just the 2.0T. The twins definitely handle better, but there are legitimate reasons why someone might prefer a Genesis (especially in Texas, which isn't known for an abundance of scenic, winding canyon roads).

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by yarik83

One thing to consider is that a lot of people, when buying cars, have needs and have wants and problem lies in the fact that you can't have both. You want a sports car but you need a car that you can fit your bags or family into. You buy either the car that you want or the car that you need but not both, unless of course you have deep pockets and can buy something like a 4 saloon on steroids.

I do not own a sports car anymore but I am considering and while I do have an FRS or BRZ on my radar, I also have to account for the fact that vehicle will cost me around 26 grand and first mod I would have to do is forced induction with exhaust upgrade which automatically places the car into 31 grand category. So yes... in a matter of speaking BRZ and FRS may be underpowered but you sort of have to consider all other options. They are lighter so upgrading HP will come with a benefit of increasing power to weight ratio. They are cheaper to insure and buy but it is like buying a toyota supra without that twin turbo that everyone wants.

I spent waaaaaaaaay too much money between 1999-2009 on car upgrades and in retrospect I wish I would have bought a ready out of the box setup. My car visited mechanics on a regular basis to fix this and that and the other.

I can see why OP may be interested in a different car but it also feels a little silly how he went around telling us about it. In his few posts he talks about wanting horse power and also being afraid to modify a daily driver and that he went to apply for a loan for BRZ before really taking one for a spin and seeing if it was worth it in the first place.

I have not driven neither of the 3 cars so I can't tell you what they feel but I know for a fact (from personal experience) that heavier cars with more horse power feel slower even though they may actually be faster. You just lose that sense of agility and I think this is what folks here are talking about. If your car handles like a mad bunny on steroids vs like an angry pouting lion... it makes one heck of a difference.

This right here...

I personally went from DDing a Vert M3 for a couple of months to the FR-S. The FR-S feels more nimble, and so far has been a better DD as far as comfort goes.

The M3 has 414hp, but on a 4100lb chassis, sure it's fast in a straight line, and can corner very well (what M doesn't ) but am I missing that HP? Nope, am I giggling like a teenage school girl who got to be prom queen every time I drive it, FUCK YEAH!

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

This right here...

I personally went from DDing a Vert M3 for a couple of months to the FR-S. The FR-S feels more nimble, and so far has been a better DD as far as comfort goes.

The M3 has 414hp, but on a 4100lb chassis, sure it's fast in a straight line, and can corner very well (what M doesn't ) but am I missing that HP? Nope, am I giggling like a teenage school girl who got to be prom queen every time I drive it, FUCK YEAH!

4100lb? Did you have the convertible? The hardtop is quite a bit lighter than that...

[Luis_GT]

Originally Posted by chrisl

4100lb? Did you have the convertible? The hardtop is quite a bit lighter than that...

Says it right on my post... Vert M3...

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by Luis_GT

Says it right on my post... Vert M3...

I clearly need my eyes checked...

[davidp]

Originally Posted by Scalzo

FAIL.
I did the same back when the twins first came out. My last second switch was because I wanted a TURBO car. Worst car you can buy is a hyundai, they look nice dont get me wrong, but they handle like shit compared to the twins. I smashed my Genny and I wasn't even doing anything bad, a little bit of rain on the floor, I was rolling 50KM/h pressed the gas a bit and the thing spun out of control. Wasn't the first time. Smashed that shit and got the FRS never going to anything else. Plus the gennys are just as fast as the FRS in a straight line. Frs on the turns are quicker, and tail happy atleast you can control it. But in the end its your decision.

I would have gotten a 370z or anything else before a genny.

wtf stef? the gc is much more forgiving than my brz, especially in the rain where the brz just wants to dance in every corners lol ..
you've just been that unlucky guy with your genny i think because mine was the most forgiving rwd i ever had..
the 370 is boring btw.. it looks like a sports car but the driving experience is just .. boring lol .. the gc is more fun to drive and gives the driver much more feedback on what's going on

[jkonquer]

Originally Posted by tacoss23

just to be sure you got my point of why I'm making of you for going for a Genesis:

I wouldnt've made fun of you if you went for a 370z, MX5, etc...

But you went for a fucking Hyundai Genesis....

That's like so faaaar away from what BRZ/FR-S is....that you might as well went for a Van or a SUV.

The Genesis coupe is NOT a SPORT CAR. It's a selling/marketing product.

It wasn't designed to be a sports car, it's a simply a gimmicky modification of a chassis/vehicle parts of a car that was originally designed to be a MPG soccer mom D class sedan that tries too hard to keep up with Honda and Toyota.

That's the reality. You might as well buy an Altima Coupe. It's the same thing. Those cars were not designed to be sport cars, or even a driver's car. They are designed to be selling points for clueless people like you, that because they see 2 doors and a spoiler, somehow they think they are buying something "sporty".

The reality is that you bought a modified chassis of a $18k soccer mom's car, with a big V6 engine to give you the impression that you are driving something sporty.

If you are so clueless, that's fine, but at least go for a real "marketing coupe" like a Honda Accord Coupe or Altima Coupe. Why would you go for the crappiest of the bunch?

I'm gonna have to agree with this guy on this.

I have driven many gensis both v6 to turbo, and they really are made for those people who look at spec sheets. yes it has big brakes, big power, and RWD. but it is not close being a a drivers car. its for those people that wants a comfortable fast commuter. There is no chassis balance, sporty engine characteristics, fast response, and driver feed back. It literally is a sonata on steroids.

Yes, you can mod it and make it fast, but the limits of it is far less than what brz can be. Gensis is a car that wanted to be g35 or g37. not in a same class as true sport car.

one thing i learned from owning a STI is that you can't substitude weight and balance. its either you have it or you don't. STI might be considered fast car in the track. But the chassis flex and weight distribution is as same class as a honda accord. And I had to spend fortune to fix those problem while sacrifing lot more.

[Symmetrical]

Originally Posted by jeebus

The BRZ is definitely not extremely powerful. But it's funny that people these days consider it SLOW. It does 0-60 in under 7 seconds...that was GSR Territory back in the day and people didn't think of them as slow. To me this car is like a GSR with rear wheel drive...plus a few other perks.

It's just in this day and age, horsepower is just abundant even in your common sedans that makes 280-300hp with V6's.

So by today's standard, it's "slow."

But I completely agree with you that it's not really "slow" slow. It's just not "fast" either.

All I can say is if anybody is buying the BRZ/FR-S to go drag racing, they are buying it for the wrong reason.

[YMAA]

Originally Posted by Symmetrical

It's just in this day and age, horsepower is just abundant even in your common sedans that makes 280-300hp with V6's.

So by today's standard, it's "slow."

But I completely agree with you that it's not really "slow" slow. It's just not "fast" either.

All I can say is if anybody is buying the BRZ/FR-S to go drag racing, they are buying it for the wrong reason.

Exactly.

I'm used to my old 2000 Legacy L wagon which had 165hp/166ft-lbs of torque at 4000 RPM, and was also very heavy at 3335lbs. THAT was a slow car. The BRZ screams compared to the Legacy. A lot of this is based on perception or frame of reference. Obviously, someone coming from a faster car would think the car is slow. But to someone used to something slower? Nope.

[Symmetrical]

Originally Posted by YMAA

Exactly.

I'm used to my old 2000 Legacy L wagon which had 165hp/166ft-lbs of torque at 4000 RPM, and was also very heavy at 3335lbs. THAT was a slow car. The BRZ screams compared to the Legacy. A lot of this is based on perception or frame of reference. Obviously, someone coming from a faster car would think the car is slow. But to someone used to something slower? Nope.

Actually even coming from a faster car, I don't think the BRZ is slow. My '06 WRX made 290awhp and ran 12.6 in the 1/4 mile.

Not once have I ever felt like my BRZ is slow.

When I drive my friend's Toyota Corolla. Now THAT'S slow.

[ThisIsChrisKim]

Nice. I was considering the GenCoupe too. Different strokes for different folks.

[thill]

Originally Posted by Symmetrical

Actually even coming from a faster car, I don't think the BRZ is slow. My '06 WRX made 290awhp and ran 12.6 in the 1/4 mile.

Not once have I ever felt like my BRZ is slow.

When I drive my friend's Toyota Corolla. Now THAT'S slow.

Coming from a 2013 Gencoupe and having owned numerous other sports cars that were faster than the BRZ, I agree with you. The biggest difference between the Gencoupe and the BRZ is the torque. Gencoupe makes almost all of its 270ft lbs of torque down low and you really can feel it. The BRZ has a higher revving powerband and you need to drive the car harder to get the most of the engine.

As was said earlier, if you are looking for a stop light racer, the BRZ is not your car. One could argue the Gencoupe is not really the best value either since you can find brand new Mustang GT's for under $30K.