koni inserts vs budget coil overs

[StormTrooper]

Anyone with experience chime in.

Koni's with springs end up being more money than say kw1 or the st's.


Application: DD with autoX duty.

[KKaWing]

You could look at Ground Control coilovers, they have options that range from basic koni shocks & springs on oem mounts and all the way to camber plates and Al mounts.

[kiichiro]

Lets say I don't want a coil over, aside from the GC most basic setup, is there anything else to consider if I don't want to cut to install the Koni? Thanks to who ever can add options. The GC is nice for sure just looking at all, if any, other options.

[KKaWing]

You could do RCE Yellows (maybe sways later on if you need to tweak it a bit more) and call it a day. They are set so that they match the stock shocks (really, the dudes there dyno'd the stock shocks and set the rates based on that, not guessing).

[Rayme]

It seems that good springs and dampers is better than cheap coilovers.

[KKaWing]

You could consider Fortune Auto Coils, they do dyno them before sending it out (they should come with dyno sheets, and they should have a record of it as well).

You do get what you pay for, Koni having to cut unless you get Ground Control to build it for you and cheap coilovers being mismatched. The damper's performance aside, having them match is pretty important.

[Tansey86]

All depends on if you want to be able to adjust the height. If you can find springs that lower you exactly where you want, get them. If not, buy a entry set of coilovers.

[vividracing]

What do you want out of it. If you are budget minded and want good performance I would say shocks and springs. If you are gonna buy some coilovers don't go cheapo. Invest in a good set. It is an FRS/BRZ...

[KKaWing]

Oh right, there's the RCE Tarmac springs and you can match them with the fixed perch Bilsteins that are gonna be released in 6 months-ish. "Emphasis on the ISH" <<< qoute from RCE.

[mla163]

You get what you pay for. Cheap coilovers are made to a price point. Good dampers are made right, then priced.

Konis and springs are going to be more comfortable and probably faster on an autocross course than cheap coilovers.

[86_FRS]

Originally Posted by mla163

Konis and springs are going to be more comfortable and probably faster on an autocross course than cheap coilovers.

Can you confirm this?

[mike the snake]

Even lower cost coilovers can be good IF they're properly valved and matched to the springs and the car.

KW is a known quality brand, and their V1 coilovers I think are accepted as good quality, and the ST coilovers are made by KW and are the same as the KW V1's and are VERY affordable.

[ZionsWrath]

Just think, how can a low cost unit compare to a good higher priced one unless they stole the R and D? The difference in price is because of the time spent developing not the material costs. Look at OEM accessories, price gouging aside, they have to pay their employees to develop these parts and even thought they might be outperformed by cheaper aftermarket alternatives, they have to price it appropriate to the money they spent on development.

Case in point, our cars. Beat around tracks by many other same price or cheaper cars but you bought it didn't you?

[bakerr6]

Originally Posted by ZionsWrath

Just think, how can a low cost unit compare to a good higher priced one unless they stole the R and D? The difference in price is because of the time spent developing not the material costs. Look at OEM accessories, price gouging aside, they have to pay their employees to develop these parts and even thought they might be outperformed by cheaper aftermarket alternatives, they have to price it appropriate to the money they spent on development.

Case in point, our cars. Beat around tracks by many other same price or cheaper cars but you bought it didn't you?

That makes no sense at all. The majority of the cost of different pieces has to do with 5 things:

1.) Brand - some brands cost more
2.) Process - The way an item is made can increase costs
3.) Materials - The better the material, usually the higher the cost
4.) Scale - How many people are going to be buying the product
5.) Supply/demand - always cause changes in price

One case in point, if you were to buy a set of wheels such as BBS wheels that are forged or varrosteins (not sure if that's how you spell it), the BBS wheels are much more expensive, but essentially for all the reasons above.