Discrepancies between the BRZ and FRS

[Kwisak]

So i was looking around and found this, probably a re post with so much information, however i didn't find it on the search bar. That said, why is there so many discrepancies between the two, reliability is 3 compared to 3.5 and performance is 8 to 8.9. Is it just the reviewer ?

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com...e-Sports-Cars/

[Marcoscrdo]

Lol thats weird, but i disagree with the interior score. Maybe they got ratings from a poll lol

[Kwisak]

I just thought it was weird that the BRZ was rated so much lower in every section, when they are essentially the same car

[Kwisak]

Originally Posted by Marchy

maybe the reviewer enjoyed the ass happy frs more than the neutral brz. as far as interior goes, maybe they actually like the space invaders stuff on the dash.

I was more annoyed with the reliability being average compared to the frs 3.5 Best rating, the performance being .9 higher too

[mit_peid]

IMO, this takes all credibility away from US News & Reports.

As much as I love my FRS, I can also say that I would love a BRZ just as much because they're essentially the same car (minus trim, HIDs, spring rates, front bumper, leather option, nav standard, push-button start option, WRB option).

I never quite cared for their national university rankings anyway because UCLA has slipped a spot or two in the last 10 years according to them (since they've taken money from USC to go up their rankings).

[cmspooner]

My only guess is that the scores could be price adjusted...which makes the frs better in all categories at it's price point.

The other option is that the scores are meaningless and the list is useless.

[Kwisak]

Originally Posted by cmspooner

My only guess is that the scores could be price adjusted...which makes the frs better in all categories at it's price point.

The other option is that the scores are meaningless and the list is useless.

Im going to go with the 2nd since the price point on the frs and brz start at the same at 25 only diff is the BRZ ends high 28 and the FRS ends high 26

[strat61caster]

I would guess the reliability scores are different because Toyota has a better reputation than Subaru and will spend the money to fix an issue that afflicts an owner, but other than that

Maybe they tested the BRZ with an Auto...

Flipped through, these reviews are garbage, they don't even compare the cars to each other, mention the CRZ as a car hitting the "autocross" and think the 370Z is a viable alternative for $8k more.

"Test drivers is floored by the 2013 Subaru BRZ’s performance."

Junk publication is junk publication

Originally Posted by mit_peid

I never quite cared for their national university rankings anyway because UCLA has slipped a spot or two in the last 10 years according to them (since they've taken money from USC to go up their rankings).

Given the way the regents and politicians are treating the UC's as a redheaded step child who's credit they can ruin for personal gain I'm surprised you expected the school to retain it's rankings. Budget cuts aren't hitting UC as hard as CSU but it's still noticeable.

[mit_peid]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Given the way the regents and politicians are treating the UC's as a redheaded step child who's credit they can ruin for personal gain I'm surprised you expected the school to retain it's rankings. Budget cuts aren't hitting UC as hard as CSU but it's still noticeable.

I never said I didn't understand why it was happening, just don't like that it has been happening.

The UC system has been a merit-based system that rewarded students with a world-class education for doing extremely well K-12 in CA, enabling many people like myself that grew up poor to have nothing but first world problems as an adult. USC, on the other hand, continues to reward students and their families to think money can buy anything. (Obviously I'm biased here, I know USC has made significant strides in improving test scores for incoming freshman over the last 10 years too)

I read something recently that college debt is now larger than all credit card debt. People in this generation are realizing that a college education may not be worth the 100s of thousands of dollars invested and schools like USC aren't helping the trend.

[schtebie]

Originally Posted by mit_peid

I never said I didn't understand why it was happening, just don't like that it has been happening.

The UC system has been a merit-based system that rewarded students with a world-class education for doing extremely well K-12 in CA, enabling many people like myself that grew up poor to have nothing but first world problems as an adult. USC, on the other hand, continues to reward students and their families to think money can buy anything. (Obviously I'm biased here, I know USC has made significant strides in improving test scores for incoming freshman over the last 10 years too)

I read something recently that college debt is now larger than all credit card debt. People in this generation are realizing that a college education may not be worth the 100s of thousands of dollars invested and schools like USC aren't helping the trend.

It's interesting that USC gets singled out in your comparison. What about all of the other top-ranked private schools who charge comparable, if not higher tuition rates than USC?

It makes perfect sense that from all of the investment into new facilities at USC and cutbacks in public education that UCLA might slip a spot or two. After reaching a certain tier, the absolute ranking makes little difference - it becomes about the brand name of the school more than anything.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by mit_peid

I never said I didn't understand why it was happening, just don't like that it has been happening.

The UC system has been a merit-based system that rewarded students with a world-class education for doing extremely well K-12 in CA, enabling many people like myself that grew up poor to have nothing but first world problems as an adult. USC, on the other hand, continues to reward students and their families to think money can buy anything. (Obviously I'm biased here, I know USC has made significant strides in improving test scores for incoming freshman over the last 10 years too)

I read something recently that college debt is now larger than all credit card debt. People in this generation are realizing that a college education may not be worth the 100s of thousands of dollars invested and schools like USC aren't helping the trend.

You don't have to explain, I graduated UCD last spring as a California resident.

Instead of directing your dissatisfaction at improving what was once a shining jewel of public education you seem to be attacking US News and USC, neither of which do your cause any good.

Originally Posted by schtebie

It's interesting that USC gets singled out in your comparison. What about all of the other top-ranked private schools who charge comparable, if not higher tuition rates than USC?

It makes perfect sense that from all of the investment into new facilities at USC and cutbacks in public education that UCLA might slip a spot or two. After reaching a certain tier, the absolute ranking makes little difference - it becomes about the brand name of the school more than anything.

Exactly. Once you hit that tier it comes down to program by program comparison depending on what the student wants/needs.

I was going to say back on topic, but the topic is crap so I'm not sure where to go from here.

[mit_peid]

It might not have been obvious, but my original post about UCLA and USC is from a fanatic's point of view. I actually graduated from both (BSEE UCLA & MSSAE USC), but since I partied harder and generally had more fun at UCLA, my collegiate sport allegiance easily goes to UCLA. USC is a great school as well and I got my current job as a direct result of the degree I got there.

The secondary commentary about the state of this country's debt status as it relates to college debt is a more complex topic. I just see education as we know it will evolve drastically in the next 10-20 years, a lot of it as a direct result of the internet. Not sure if I would send my kid to Harvard just to get an English degree.

Back on topic, US News & Report should have had the FRS & BRZ with near identical scores. Both Toyota and Subaru are known to produce very reliable cars. BRZ should have at least gotten a little better interior score.

[Shim]

http://usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/methodology/
US News provided that link, on the same page as the rankings, explaining how their scores are derived.

Sure its junk journalism, but they disclosed precisely how it is junk.

[Brzetto]

The FRS is better than the BRZ? Absolutely undeniably....NO. Maybe Scion is throwing some cash or perks their way. Magazines are like cheap hookers. I'm gonna throw this image in too....