TOYOTA GAZOO Racing Presents World Debut of the New JDM GR 86 (Second Gen 86)!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

I'd say that is still up in the air, if something like that did happen they are obviously not going to talk about it in the roilout, and they do say that the GR will be tuned for a sharper driving experience. I'm not seeing any official production or sale date announcements yet.

[Sport-Tech]

If you are high or drunk you will find the auto-translated English CC on these GR videos (and the rollout video) hilarious.

[StE92ve]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well that is a lot of hype for an announcement that is about as anticlimactic as you can get.

I feel exactly the same. We knew so much about what was coming and it's sort of a let down at this point. It's going to come down to whether or not you like those tear drop vents on the BRZ.

We'll have to wait for more details to understand the differences in the twins other than to rely on what was mentioned in the press release:

While engaging in friendly rivalry with the BRZ development team, TGR sought to develop a vehicle that would provide happiness to 86 fans, and realize an evolution of the 86's unique driving sensations. As a result, the new GR 86 is specially designed for sports performance, and provides direct and satisfying driving performance of the highest order.

IMHO, I think the twins should have been revealed at the same time. The only thing the delayed reveal of the GR86 has achieved is: Ho Hum, we've already seen this.

[jkamelo]

IG stancebois are complaining, but TBH, I like it.

it’s 2021 and we’re getting a new, cheap-ish, NA, RWD MANUAL sports car. I’m happy with it. 30HP bump over the previous gen and no torque dip means that this has similar power to a current-gen 86 with a header + tune + E85 (I think?).

still NA, which is refreshing in the era of turbocharged econoboxes. and it should still handle like a dream.

I genuinely like the GR86’s front end. the rear still looks like ass but the aftermarket will sort that out.

like most folks here, I prefer the previous gen, but there’s nothing stopping us from just continuing to buy those!

[Deslock]

Originally Posted by Thefalls

A translation would have been so much better for us non jap speaking crowd.

You can turn on auto-generated translation in settings (sometimes amusingly imperfect, but quite good overall).

[Sport-Tech]

The first video I posted above is actually a Lovecars production - in it, 2 of their reviewers do a driving comparison of the BRZ and GR86 on a short track. From the tidbits that can be extracted from the bizarre English CC, it appears that the differences in handling between the two are more marked than recent 1st-gen cars and are reminiscent of those found between the FRS and 86 in their first model year. The BRZ is stable and smooth with high grip; the GR86 oversteers more readily on demand and has the sharper response in transitions.

[StE92ve]

@38:49 I do like the contrast on the door panels. Since this is a JDM spec'd model, wondering what we'll get here in NA.

[Transport3r]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

The first video I posted above is actually a Lovecars production - in it, 2 of their reviewers do a driving comparison of the BRZ and GR86 on a short track. From the tidbits that can be extracted from the bizarre English CC, it appears that the differences in handling between the two are more marked than recent 1st-gen cars and are reminiscent of those found between the FRS and 86 in their first model year. The BRZ is stable and smooth with high grip; the GR86 oversteers more readily on demand and has the sharper response in transitions.

Sooooo

[weederr33]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Well that is a lot of hype for an announcement that is about as anticlimactic as you can get.
Slightly different lights and interior trim and a different bumper. So pretty much the differences between the 86 and the BRZ that have always existed.

I still strongly dislike the side vents and running boards. There is no way the whole model line should be branded as GR since that is pure marketing bullshit.

One man's excitement is another man's disinterest

[StE92ve]

Need to know what's up with the different head units:

[mazeroni]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

There is no way the whole model line should be branded as GR since that is pure marketing bullshit.

Wait until they release the "GR86TRD" ... Great-Tard?

Unless they end up swapping GR for TRD and call it TRD86. This adds to the confusion of what both are supposed to be. But that's what marketing is all about. People love their letters and numbers.

Originally Posted by StE92ve

Need to know what's up with the different head units:

Well, I sure hope we get the BRZ unit because it has actual buttons and knobs. Although the second unit looks like it might have a higher quality screen.

[DarkPira7e]

As is typical, Toyota version looks better. Love it

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

What exactly was it "intended for"?
As many Hakone's will get tracked as any other version.
The majority of the PP cars will never ever see a track.

Pretentious "enthusiast" is pretentious.

Its "intended" to be driven hard!
because of torque dip, the torque dip was "intended" to be there to encourage drivers to rev the ever living shit out of the engine so they dont sit in that valley!

And thus it is "intended" to be driven only on a racetrack because people who drive these daily are posers who dont deserve this car. Those people need to be camry's and corollas because those are "intended" for the person who doesnt care about driving!

[Grateful Dave]

It's hard to give a complete assessment without seeing it in person due to lens distortions and poor camera angles, but my first impressions are I'd rather keep my 2013 Fr-s. the GR 86 looks kinda of a cross between the Brz, Camry. and Lexus RC. The new Celica? It looks more like a sporty car not a "Sports Car".