Pricing - this could be the clincher - or not...

[suprachica79]

Originally Posted by old greg

No, no you've got it all wrong. Honor demands that Scion commit sepukku, and if it hesitates Toyota must cut it's head of with a katana.

The suicide rate in Japan is insanely high. Can't Scion just add to that statistic?

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Dragonitti

That's fine, but it doesn't make the rest of them shitty just because you don't like them. Toyota builds them remember.

The Camry is a POS IMO too so I'm not sure what Toyota building them has to do with anything.

It was clearly an opinion, and Toyota stopped making good cars in the late 90s IMO.

And I guess that's still true since Subaru makes this one :P

And I don't hate Scions that much really

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by old greg

That's a very good point if we are assuming that they intend to sell a lot of the things. But with Leeky relaying that the Toyota big wigs only intend to ship 1000 units per year (possible miscommunication aside), there is the possibility that the FR-S will only be a halo car for scion. Basically, something that isn't really intended to make money (and Toyota says they're only breaking even), only to get young folks excited about the Scion brand so that they'll come into the dealership and buy the more affordable/profitable tC.

If that's the case, then a huge difference in price is only to be expected. After all, who would pay $80k for a Nissan, $90k for a Dodge, $115k for a Chevy, $150k for a Ford or $400k for a Lexus?

Could've saved themselves some R&D and just thrown a Scion badge on the LFA...

[jimmillion]

"30 to 40 years ago, an AE86,[...] was 1.5 million yen($19,000 USD). [...] that was the starting salary was for a university graduate. We kept that in mind when we priced the car[...]” - Tetsuya Tada (Chief Engineer)

"Today the starting salary of a university graduate in Japan is around 2.5 million yen($32,000 USD). [...]We will have to wait until early 2012 when the car is officially released. There will be no pricing announcement at the Auto Show."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...hief-engineer/


Personally I think $32,000 is reasonable for the high trim. Saying that I also plan on securing a full time job before I purchase one tho...I'm just finishing up College fyi.

[Dimman]

Originally Posted by JIMs|a|MILLION

"30 to 40 years ago, an AE86,[...] was 1.5 million yen($19,000 USD). [...] that was the starting salary was for a university graduate. We kept that in mind when we priced the car[...]” - Tetsuya Tada (Chief Engineer)

"Today the starting salary of a university graduate in Japan is around 2.5 million yen($32,000 USD). [...]We will have to wait until early 2012 when the car is officially released. There will be no pricing announcement at the Auto Show."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...hief-engineer/


Personally I think $32,000 is reasonable for the high trim. Saying that I also plan on securing a full time job before I purchase one tho...I'm just finishing up College fyi.

$32k is acceptable to you??? Hell that'll be the Subaru price in Canada, only if it comes in at $22k in the States...

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by JIMs|a|MILLION

"30 to 40 years ago, an AE86,[...] was 1.5 million yen($19,000 USD). [...] that was the starting salary was for a university graduate. We kept that in mind when we priced the car[...]” - Tetsuya Tada (Chief Engineer)

"Today the starting salary of a university graduate in Japan is around 2.5 million yen($32,000 USD). [...]We will have to wait until early 2012 when the car is officially released. There will be no pricing announcement at the Auto Show."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...hief-engineer/


Personally I think $32,000 is reasonable for the high trim. Saying that I also plan on securing a full time job before I purchase one tho...I'm just finishing up College fyi.

If it comes in at $32k I'll be at the Nissan dealer instead picking up a 370.

[Zaku]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

If it comes in at $32k I'll be at the Nissan dealer instead picking up a 370.

+1 going that route as well if that's the case, or just wait for the new Miata and or buy an old S2000.

[jimmillion]

Let me clarify myself a bit,

If you guys in the States get it for say $24,000 MSRP. (that seems fair right? )

Here in Ontario you'll be looking at probably more in the range of $27,000MRSP, but who knows with our dollar being strong maybe more.

1 Canadian dollar = 0.965624 U.S. dollars @11-28-11,22:31


. $27,000MRSP
+$3,500(HST) - Harmonized Sales tax @ 13%
+ $100(Air tax) - this one I know Subaru does but maybe not Toyota
+$1,600(PDI&Freight) - might be able to swing this, but leave it for now
=============
Total $32,200 CAD


so when I say I'm willing to spend that much, it's because I've spent the past year crunching numbers for other cars and it's never pretty living in Ontario.

[adprokid]

Toyota said its affordable, i can only hope they stick to their promise and keep the price in the 22-24K range.

[Buggy51]

Originally Posted by JIMs|a|MILLION

Let me clarify myself a bit,

If you guys in the States get it for say $24,000 MSRP. (that seems fair right? )

Here in Ontario you'll be looking at probably more in the range of $27,000MRSP, but who knows with our dollar being strong maybe more.

1 Canadian dollar = 0.965624 U.S. dollars @11-28-11,22:31


. $27,000MRSP
+$3,500(HST) - Harmonized Sales tax @ 13%
+ $100(Air tax) - this one I know Subaru does but maybe not Toyota
+$1,600(PDI&Freight) - might be able to swing this, but leave it for now
=============
Total $32,200 CAD


so when I say I'm willing to spend that much, it's because I've spent the past year crunching numbers for other cars and it's never pretty living in Ontario.

Uh... lets make it 22kish :P Then I'll call it game even better if lower but one can dream...

[hinge]

I figure it'll be in the 25K range; there's really no advanced technology, AWD, turbo system or excessive luxury features to drive the price up.

[tranzformer]

Originally Posted by Dave-ROR

The Camry is a POS IMO too so I'm not sure what Toyota building them has to do with anything.

It was clearly an opinion, and Toyota stopped making good cars in the late 90s IMO.

And I guess that's still true since Subaru makes this one :P

And I don't hate Scions that much really

[alexdee]

Originally Posted by Longhorn248

If it comes in at $32k I'll be at the Nissan dealer instead picking up a 370.

well said.

[fatoni]

Originally Posted by JIMs|a|MILLION

"30 to 40 years ago, an AE86,[...] was 1.5 million yen($19,000 USD). [...] that was the starting salary was for a university graduate. We kept that in mind when we priced the car[...]” - Tetsuya Tada (Chief Engineer)

"Today the starting salary of a university graduate in Japan is around 2.5 million yen($32,000 USD). [...]We will have to wait until early 2012 when the car is officially released. There will be no pricing announcement at the Auto Show."

http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/201...hief-engineer/


Personally I think $32,000 is reasonable for the high trim. Saying that I also plan on securing a full time job before I purchase one tho...I'm just finishing up College fyi.

the ae86 was crazy expensive for its time so that doesnt make me feel any better