Must be getting old

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by maxx1957

I know what you mean, I bought this car because it didnt have all those things, I get so sick of people telling me they have a voice activated gps and they still dont know how to use it. I got this car for the pure driving pleasure. I have a 530i that I got for 68k and its fully loaded with crap that breaks, New keys??? cost me 3000 to replace, computer needed reprogramming for 1500. For 27k I'm really happy with the car/frs. This is my car, wife cant drive a stick, and the kids dont fit.. just me..lol

so would ya buy the german stuff again? no reflection on you personally,but the germans are ALWAYS lookin' for a few more "suckers!"

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by maxx1957

I know what you mean, I bought this car because it didnt have all those things, I get so sick of people telling me they have a voice activated gps and they still dont know how to use it. I got this car for the pure driving pleasure. I have a 530i that I got for 68k and its fully loaded with crap that breaks, New keys??? cost me 3000 to replace, computer needed reprogramming for 1500. For 27k I'm really happy with the car/frs. This is my car, wife cant drive a stick, and the kids dont fit.. just me..lol

Originally Posted by rhoyle

Not sure what you're getting at here, but you seem to be wanting to compare a front engine 4cylinder to a mid-engined 6 cylinder. I haven't ever driven a Cayman, just the Cayman S (back when they were sub 300 HP), and I can tell you that the driving experience is NOTHING like the FR-S/BRZ.

WHAT he's getting at is the "horrendous" difference in money for similar performance! fuckin' germans are "pirates" are you kiddin' me? so what's your point? you are talkin' better? or what? it "should" be ,look at the difference in scratch! ehe! he! he!

[rhoyle]

I would buy the Porsche again. I had nearly zero problems with my Cayman and all three dealerships I dealt with were an order of magnitude more professional than the two Subaru dealerships I have dealt with. It's really hard to beat free track day inspections from a certified mechanic who's also a fanatic, but even that aside, my experience with Subaru is much more like herding cattle. Porsche dealers always gave me a free loaner (usually an Audi or Benz SUV) and treated me like an old friend. I always felt like the service managers at Porsche had my back, and they did. One even went to bat for me with corporate to get free replacement TPMS Sensors because they batteries died in just over 3 years.

I always get a chuckle out of the folks who dog on the luxury brands yet have no experience owning them.

[jlu]

Originally Posted by jmaryt

ehe! he! he!

[rhoyle]

Originally Posted by jmaryt

WHAT he's getting at is the "horrendous" difference in money for similar performance! fuckin' germans are "pirates" are you kiddin' me? so what's your point? you are talkin' better? or what? it "should" be ,look at the difference in scratch! ehe! he! he!

Similar performance on paper doesn't mean that the cars feel, act, or drive the same. My point is that driving a Cayman is not like driving a FR-S/BRZ. It's not a similar feeling. If you just want a paper war, then bring in the Vette. It's priced similar to the Cayman yet will blow it away in many metrics. But driving the two is nothing alike.

There are three or four of us who have owned Caymans on here. That doesn't make the FR-S/BRZ a Cayman competitor. Two totally different vehicles.

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by norsamerican

I agree that the price is similar, power however is not. The fact of the matter is while you may spend near the same amount or less for a VW. You are still getting a vehicle with costly maintenance, FWD, Hatchback, etc. You cannot soley compare the two cars exclusivly on build quality because, frankly they are two very different cars. The Germans, while meticulous with their cars, have not built a comparable FR car.

The VW GTI is a grand touring car, its built for longer drives, daily driving in comfort. You simply cannot compare the two cars. If someone wants a car chaulked full of perfection yes they can buy the GTI but they will also be losing more in drivability, in my opinon, which is more valuable than perfection.

One could argue that you could just buy a VW and save on purchase price but you would also sacrifice the expirience of a RWD lightweight sports car. I've driven a GTI, reminded me of the 2003 EP3 Civic Si but sturdier/tighter.

In terms of quailty over cost comparison. The driveability, handling, overal fun aspect of the car outweighs any insignificant rattle or annoyance for most seasoned drivers. And furthermore the car looks a hell of alot better than a boxy hatchback.

meticulous with their cars? is this the reason why NONE of their cars has a "better than average" repair record? so much for "alleged" "superior" german engineering.

[TeamZleep]

Us VW people know that something isn't right when there's no check engine light laughing at you in the gauge cluster.

I don't even want to begin with my troubles in two different 2008's. one turbo rabbit and one R32. The FRS is a breath of fresh air compared to the two. I do miss awd and my 3.2l wookie growl....

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by norsamerican

I agree that the price is similar, power however is not. The fact of the matter is while you may spend near the same amount or less for a VW. You are still getting a vehicle with costly maintenance, FWD, Hatchback, etc. You cannot soley compare the two cars exclusivly on build quality because, frankly they are two very different cars. The Germans, while meticulous with their cars, have not built a comparable FR car.

The VW GTI is a grand touring car, its built for longer drives, daily driving in comfort. You simply cannot compare the two cars. If someone wants a car chaulked full of perfection yes they can buy the GTI but they will also be losing more in drivability, in my opinon, which is more valuable than perfection.

One could argue that you could just buy a VW and save on purchase price but you would also sacrifice the expirience of a RWD lightweight sports car. I've driven a GTI, reminded me of the 2003 EP3 Civic Si but sturdier/tighter.

In terms of quailty over cost comparison. The driveability, handling, overal fun aspect of the car outweighs any insignificant rattle or annoyance for most seasoned drivers. And furthermore the car looks a hell of alot better than a boxy hatchback.

Originally Posted by rhoyle

Similar performance on paper doesn't mean that the cars feel, act, or drive the same. My point is that driving a Cayman is not like driving a FR-S/BRZ. It's not a similar feeling. If you just want a paper war, then bring in the Vette. It's priced similar to the Cayman yet will blow it away in many metrics. But driving the two is nothing alike.

There are three or four of us who have owned Caymans on here. That doesn't make the FR-S/BRZ a Cayman competitor. Two totally different vehicles.

corvettes are government motors "crap" ok so the german stuff drives different point made,but i would take the little frs/brz any day over anything the germans build no matter what! costly to buy,costly to service,and they "still" break frequently. "high priced" sucker bait!

[norsamerican]

Originally Posted by jmaryt

meticulous with their cars? is this the reason why NONE of their cars has a "better than average" repair record? so much for "alleged" "superior" german engineering.

Your answer is as good as mine. although my Audi has never disappointed

[norsamerican]

Originally Posted by jmaryt

corvettes are government motors "crap" ok so the german stuff drives different point made,but i would take the little frs/brz any day over anything the germans build no matter what! costly to buy,costly to service,and they "still" break frequently. "high priced" sucker bait!

I think u missed my point. I was defending the frs/brz

[rhoyle]

Originally Posted by jmaryt

corvettes are government motors "crap" ok so the german stuff drives different point made,but i would take the little frs/brz any day over anything the germans build no matter what! costly to buy,costly to service,and they "still" break frequently. "high priced" sucker bait!

That's great that you're driving what you like.

[TeamZleep]

Originally Posted by jmaryt

corvettes are government motors "crap" ok so the german stuff drives different point made,but i would take the little frs/brz any day over anything the germans build no matter what! costly to buy,costly to service,and they "still" break frequently. "high priced" sucker bait!

Ever owned a German car? If you did, you'd understand.

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by jlu

you need a little makeover! you look a little ragged!.. troll!
ehe! he! he!

[Ingen]

Originally Posted by boead

I wanted a hatchback too! There is NO good reason why this FR-S isn't a hatchback!

Err, yeah there is.

The Cayman is mid-engined. The engine block is probably used as a structural element, and even if it isn't the reinforced engine cradle is behind the driver and in the vicinity of the hatch. Therefore, it's got more stiffness in the rear and can sacrifice the stiffness of the rear panels to allow for a hatch back.

The FRS has its engine up front, and nothing in the back to stiffen it. With a half dozen giant braces back there then maybe the FRS could be a lift-back as well. But without any excessive bracing in the rear, and without the reinforcement of the engine mounts, it simply isn't stiff enough to allow for the lift back. You could stiffen it, but then it would be heavier, and who the hell wants that?

Moral of the story - Yes, mid engine is better. Also more expensive. The FRS has a tiny trunk opening because it's stiffer that way, and because it doesn't have an engine back there to lean on.