Vortech supercharger

[JoeBoxer]

I don't think the kit price is that high? Fa20 is selling the kit with tune for 4400 and Perrin is 4850 with license and cable which most of us have. I agree you shouldn't have to purchase another pulley but how much could that really be? I would like to see 200ft lbs for my 4k but if they can pull that off this kit will be back on my radar.

[gmookher]

Originally Posted by 2forme

Gem, theres nothing new there, but now you're talking the already expensive price of the kit and then the cost of another pulley, just to get the advertised power of the basic kit. Lol

hey, if sub $4000 is what the customer wants to git 'er done for, and you want the upgraded pulley, the 200TQ, FMIC, tune, license, and in my opinion, silly to not get the cable... really .

..and IF someone else is givin it to ya with all that, then theres not much to look at here is there, cost shall be the determining factor

unless the vortech vendors come down to that for this kit they will loose a few sales to the price first shopper. Surely they have considered this..their bet is there will be more solution first buyers than price first shoppers, atleast I suspect thats the aim for this kit's target buyer

its not equal product, so comparing two kits, each 200tq, one costing $3800 and the other $4800, or $4400, whatever, water to air and air to air are totally different after 6 laps, dont take my word for it,tho, you can find out first hand if you prefer,

like the turbo kits out on the track, they can be made into great systems, with additional costs, as well. heat management, soak, and subsequent power loss, increased propensity to detonate, and higher chances of head damage would be, in my opinion, the turn off for those systems to me, cost aside. heat is a worse force to reckon with than boost, or a lil SC drag.

so I really dont think you can compare any turbo kit at this pricepoint-we've all seen some of the heat challenges there and thats no show stopper but it does cost $$$$ done right

its great to consider the other 'cheaper SC' options on paper while they have yet to manifest themselves in the flesh..you may find once they magically appear, like the turbos, there may be added costs to get the cooling required to run such a setup, eek out the reliability you seek, or plan for hidden skeletons hopefully wont pop out wiggling, or other things we're not counting on

also imho Perrin>FA20.but eithers fine.

there may be a kit giving you the numbers you want to see on a graph, but youre buying more than a graph, arent you?

(no comparison)


the VORTECH kit is PROVEN

heat friendly, or I wouldnt take it, regardless of cost

has a big fmic, bigger reputation, and the biggest warranty-unlimited miles

OODLES of upgradabilty for he who wants more TQ

and thats more than alot of other options

its never gonna be the cheaper option tho, so if $ per HP or TQ is the factor, you may need to look elsewhere

[2forme]

Originally Posted by gmookher

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Gem, the only thing proven by this kit so far is 209/165...after a 15% boost for correction.

Why don't we wait until we see 2 or 3 third party dynos (done at shops that don't have any financial interest in Vortech or this kit) before we get into this debate?

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by gmookher

its not equal product, so comparing two kits, each 200tq, one costing $3800 and the other $4800, or $4400, whatever, water to air and air to air are totally different after 6 laps, dont take my word for it,tho, you can find out first hand if you prefer.........


so I really dont think you can compare any turbo kit at this pricepoint-we've all seen some of the heat challenges there and thats no show stopper but it does cost $$$$ done right

Your tune (pun intended) is getting really old Gem. You keep taking jabs at AVO with the usual misinformation and incomplete information. AVO has had NO heat issues and their setup is in a TRACK car.... Stop spreading lies like a cancer please.

Edit: And DON'T even get me started at "each 200TQ" REALLY???

[2forme]

Originally Posted by Sportsguy83

Your tune (pun intended) is getting really old Gem. You keep taking jabs at AVO with the usual misinformation and incomplete information. AVO has had NO heat issues and their setup is in a TRACK car.... Stop spreading lies like a cancer please.

That is the most awesome thing I've seen in a while. GREAT POST!

PS. I'm stealing this GIF.

[gmookher]

Originally Posted by 2forme

Gem, the only thing proven by this kit so far is 209/165...after a 15% boost for correction.

Why don't we wait until we see 2 or 3 third party dynos (done at shops that don't have any financial interest in Vortech or this kit) before we get into this debate?

c'mon guys, you know I am not that petty about HP, and I really like the AVO kit, but Like i have said before built my way it will cost more than this SC
I've never been known to say VORTECH is the most powerful, highest HP or TQ. I put reliability 1st, and let that define the right power range, on stock internals.
I see the joy of pushing 15psi thru this motor, but thats just not me.

I look past my day one, looking at day two already
what is next?
is there a path?
what will it cost?
is that path rational, safe reasonable?
sound?
I dont want cost prohibitive either

I am very impressed with AVO's 230whp (276 crank hp) and 197 ft/lbs of torque at 5-6 psi on 92 octane gas is what the AVO kit spec'd
Is it ready for PHX heat on the track in its current form? I'm not really sure of that one...but it IS low psi, when compared to what we are talking here-9-10psi...

further,

I have NO reason to suspect that 9psi from Vortech will be anything less than fucking stellar at sealevel all tuned up. I do think it will put the AVO far in the rear view mirror-its almost 40% more psi outta the box with a very minor mod. Pulleys are NOT expensive, man. The potential on tap is huge, if the 12-13psi is what you want, its here, in one box from Vortech.

I also dont think AVO type turbo kits can offer the "just add a pulley" upgrade path, that upgradeability will cost much more, bigger turbo can mean bigger IC, difference in piping tubing plumbing etc. I am not taking stabs or jabs at anyone, just citing a factual difference in upgradability there, with regards to cost and power output. could it be that bigger turbo = more heat? nah...

same with Innovate, I like their kit, but really without a IC, you cant "just add a pulley" there, so when you start to look at the whole solution in more costly than its "how I get it day one" incantation, the players lineup changes fast

All I need to do is add a pulley, then do something (that I cant share yet but its a boon), and then add injectors, and I will still be ahead moneywise , of the guys trying to work out the added costs for their stage2+/3 setups, need to install other shit, and wont deal with air to water heat soak , or overheated oil, ever. Clear.

If I ever want a higher duty compressor, they have one, same exact form factor etc, hence my decision to go vortech. no added oil heat, motor heat, water heat, just more boost, lil more drag, it was NOT price dictated, fwiw. Those seemed like the right trade offs for me, on the path I am on with my BRZ(s)

go buy what you want, no skin off my back, just sharing the facts pertintent to my kit, if I am wrong about the other guys stuff, Its not intentional.

we all have decisions we will make and drive and live with, make the one you chose a choice you make knowing the facts , the present day 1 install and the future path to day two(representing the next stage)

My path is LUCID , hows yours?

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by gmookher

its not equal product, so comparing two kits, each 200tq, one costing $3800 and the other $4800, or $4400, whatever, water to air and air to air are totally different after 6 laps, dont take my word for it,tho, you can find out first hand if you prefer.........


so I really dont think you can compare any turbo kit at this pricepoint-we've all seen some of the heat challenges there and thats no show stopper but it does cost $$$$ done right

See, this is what I called you out on above...

Originally Posted by gmookher

I am not taking stabs or jabs at anyone, just citing a factual difference in upgradability there, with regards to cost and power output.

And this is what you respond you were doing... C'mon man.... Stop trying to insult us. "Difference in upgrade ability".... Had nothing to do with that, just misinformation all over he place. Get your facts straight before spreading cancer (lies). It was very very far from "factual".


Edit: I have said it before and I'll say it again. I have NOTHING against Vortech, Perrin (I have numerous Perrin parts in my car) or any other company (I only have something against Agency Power). I actually think this SC kit is pretty good, and know there are other kits that are awesome options too. My only problem here is the spreading of misinformation. I hate it. Stop doing it please. Share your opinions, but keep the facts real.

[ShoNUFF]

I feel like everybody's forgetting the 200TQ is a jump of ~70lbs..

nothing to sneeze at.

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by ShoNUFF

I feel like everybody's forgetting the 200TQ is a jump of ~70lbs..

nothing to sneeze at.

Nobody is sneezing at it. This kit doesn't get there in its current form contrary to what lies written in previous post may have led you to believe .

[JP]

I personally dont see where you think all this extra cost to get more power from a turbo setup comes from... Can do it for as little as $15 wtih a bleed valve, or a couple of hundred for a standalone EBC to have boost by gear etc... or even just an ECUteck flash with repurposed solenoid.

If you're concerned about radiant heat, a $50 sheet of ACL Race Heatshield is extremely effective.

The turbo AVO uses would have no issues pushing more boost, you would just need the same supporting mods you would need with ANY other forced induction setup... Injectors, MAP sensor and reflash.

[2forme]

Originally Posted by JP

I personally dont see where you think all this extra cost to get more power from a turbo setup comes from... Can do it for as little as $15 wtih a bleed valve, or a couple of hundred for a standalone EBC to have boost by gear etc... or even just an ECUteck flash with repurposed solenoid.

If you're concerned about radiant heat, a $50 sheet of ACL Race Heatshield is extremely effective.

The turbo AVO uses would have no issues pushing more boost, you would just need the same supporting mods you would need with ANY other forced induction setup... Injectors, MAP sensor and reflash.

There you go, using logic and fact. Do you know who you're talking to? You'd be better off telling him it's a Perrin turbo kit.

[jflogerzi]

Originally Posted by JP

I personally dont see where you think all this extra cost to get more power from a turbo setup comes from... Can do it for as little as $15 wtih a bleed valve, or a couple of hundred for a standalone EBC to have boost by gear etc... or even just an ECUteck flash with repurposed solenoid.

If you're concerned about radiant heat, a $50 sheet of ACL Race Heatshield is extremely effective.

The turbo AVO uses would have no issues pushing more boost, you would just need the same supporting mods you would need with ANY other forced induction setup... Injectors, MAP sensor and reflash.

I really wish AVO's turbo setup could have a high flow cat in the header. For us in CA, the AVO is really out of the question

[gmookher]

really? I didnt know the AVO kit was ready for 10 psi with less than $100 in mods, that is great news, sounds like many of you have a better solution then for $1000 less. why all the interest in this kit? just to point out the HP to $ isnt inline with your budget? Cause I dont see anything else being complained about the Vortech kit, just that its initial cost to HP offering isnt as attractive as the other guys HP to Cost offering.

if youre telling me the upgrade path is equally as attractive, and more power outta the box, well, be sure to wave as you pass by me by on that final lap!

[Sportsguy83]

Originally Posted by gmookher

really? I didnt know the AVO kit was ready for 10 psi with less than $100 in mods, that is great news, sounds like many of you have a better solution then for $1000 less. why all the interest in this kit? just to point out the HP to $ isnt inline with your budget? Cause Idont see anything else being complained about

Oh! So you going to 10 psi boost with stock fuel system and pump gas? Let me know how it goes!

About the bolded red part yep, we certainly do. Thanks!