Frs vs 13' sti

[karma003]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Interesting advice. I've autoxed for years and never competed on a track that tested the brakes in any sort of manner. Most of your speed is scrubbed off by your tires. Unless you're in a very heavy car I can't imagine the brakes being too hot to engage the parking brake. Then again there's nothing wrong with being overly cautious.

Yea at the events they say never to do that cuz the heat wil make ur rotors warp. dont mean to be rude but EVERYONE, I KNOW. It doesnt show in the vid but I put it up just to park. After the car was off I put it in gear & put the break down. Its just a habit to pull it before shutting off the car. & as far as the sunglasses & plate, they were ment to be taken down & put up before starting, just wasnt paying attention. Was more focused & concientrating on where I can improve on the track. Reviewing previous runs in my head.

[NickFRS]

I made the painful mistake of warping my STi's rotors after a track day at Pacific race ways..... Had to replace all 4 brembo brakes.... Never done it since.... lesson well learned ahaha.

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by Speedy000

if your friend is coming from an crz to an sti it just depends how fast he can adapt to the new car its way faster than the crz and the awd is completely different from the fwd crz. how long has he been autoxing the sti?

i like your avatar

[Speedy000]

lol i dont think you're alone on that one.

[SuperDave]

Originally Posted by Speedy000

lol i dont think you're alone on that one.

who is that? i need some new fap material!

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by gmookher

NEVER engage the parking brake after track time

Autox isn't track time. A 20 minute lapping session at a road course with 100+ mph speeds is worlds different than a 60 second run on a track where you might hit 70.

I made the painful mistake of warping my STi's rotors after a track day at Pacific race ways..... Had to replace all 4 brembo brakes.... Never done it since.... lesson well learned ahaha.

How did you manage that? Even if you put on your parking brake that's just 1 or 2 rear rotors.

[Orthow]

Even IF you by chance beat your friend in his STI it is only a matter of time until he learns how to drive his car at which point you will always be second. Tires, Brakes, AWD, Boost, Technology all add up to a stout package. My best friend has a BRZ his dad a brand new STI - both are accomplished drivers and neither can get the BRZ to complete an AutoX faster than the STI. So like I said, you have the driver advantage for now but that will surely fade.

[Ranatsu]

I own an '11 STi and my BRZ. I would have to say that if he knows how to get the STi to rotate, it should completely stomp an FRS/BRZ stock for stock.

The technology in the 08+ STi's just make them so quick despite being as fat as they are. I will say that driving the 11 STi isn't nearly as fun through turns, because it just feels like a truck to me.

As always this is going to really come down to who can out drive the other one, but I give the advantage to the STi.. it simply has the power to make up for mistakes where the BRZ/FRS does not.

[Mr. Banana]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Autox isn't track time. A 20 minute lapping session at a road course with 100+ mph speeds is worlds different than a 60 second run on a track where you might hit 70.



How did you manage that? Even if you put on your parking brake that's just 1 or 2 rear rotors.

still not a good habit to form after any high performance driving, with all do respect to your solid experience as a driver.

better to be safe than sorry, i say.

[Jaylyons1]

Originally Posted by Ranatsu

I own an '11 STi and my BRZ. I would have to say that if he knows how to get the STi to rotate, it should completely stomp an FRS/BRZ stock for stock.

The technology in the 08+ STi's just make them so quick despite being as fat as they are. I will say that driving the 11 STi isn't nearly as fun through turns, because it just feels like a truck to me.

As always this is going to really come down to who can out drive the other one, but I give the advantage to the STi.. it simply has the power to make up for mistakes where the BRZ/FRS does not.

I'd have to disagree. I have owned several STI's and WRX's myself and auto-x'd them as well. If its a high speed race such as Tanacross up in AK or a road course then you're spot on and the STI would triumph. But if the course is designed like most(which seem to be set up for miata's and corvettes) then the BRZ would take it hands down. This is assuming both drivers are of equal skill of course.

N/A > Turbo when it comes to low speed races unless you have something like a 335i which spools up quite quickly. AWD is really not an advantage as you tend to understeer more going into curves than a RWD would.

I see some people that say the launch would be beneficial with the STI, but I have only had a couple races where I could actually get up any speed at the very beginning. Most throw you right into a turn immediately following the start.

This has been my experience anyway.

[NickFRS]

The front warped during the 6 runs and the rear warped due to the E-brake. 160-55 takes a big tole on stock breaks. Even brembos. (plus this was at 20k miles and over 10 track days and 2 Rallyx events. The fronts were already looking to be replaced. But since I made the mistake that one time of putting my E-brake on with the excitement to tell my buddy I stomped his Evo in turn 5.... I had to finally replace all 4. The 2 rear warped rotors were directly related to the E-brake incident. If you want me to get technical. "keep in mind it was around 50ish degrees outside and there was water everywhere. So when you just get off the track after some serious braking and have to drive through a god forsaken puddle then put on your E-brake in a no brainer attempt to brag to your evo friend moment. Shit happens ahaha. Like I said learned my lesson. Now I have track pads and wheel stoppers/blocks.

[Dipstik-sportech]

Originally Posted by gmookher

NEVER engage the parking brake after track time

I don't get how this could be an issue on the BRZ. Im assuming that you dont want to use it due to the hot pad being left squeezing the rotor. It uses a drum in hat ebrake which isn't used in normal braking, so it shouldn't cause heat transfer but I could be wrong.

[karma003]

Originally Posted by Dipstik-sportech

I don't get how this could be an issue on the BRZ. Im assuming that you dont want to use it due to the hot pad being left squeezing the rotor. It uses a drum in hat ebrake which isn't used in normal braking, so it shouldn't cause heat transfer but I could be wrong.

Its not the pads ur worried about, its the rotor itself. Its hot. So when u apply the e brake it squeezes on it & as it cools down it shrinks thousands of an inch (i knoe cuz im a machinist). & if the pads r pressing out as it compresses, then it gets.warped where the pads were...

But anyways...

[Dipstik-sportech]

Originally Posted by karma003

Its not the pads ur worried about, its the rotor itself. Its hot. So when u apply the e brake it squeezes on it & as it cools down it shrinks thousands of an inch (i knoe cuz im a machinist). & if the pads r pressing out as it compresses, then it gets.warped where the pads were...

But anyways...

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